Trump trails in the polls. Sound familiar?
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Trump trails in the polls. Sound familiar?
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Trump trails in the polls. Sound familiar?
Trump trails in the polls. Sound familiar?
It sure does, but nobody has been so far down for so long and come back to win.... so I guess we'll see. I'm not crazy enough to put a bet on it.
Re: Trump Trails
By: mark firestone to HUSTLER on Thu Oct 15 2020 07:28 am
Trump trails in the polls. Sound familiar?
It sure does, but nobody has been so far down for so long and come back to win.... so I guess we'll see. I'm not crazy
enough to put a bet on it.
Nobody except Trump in 2016?
BlaZ
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Nobody except Trump in 2016?
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Nobody except Trump in 2016?
Well, Trump weas behind in 2016, byt what, 4 points in the polls?
He seems to be down by 10 to 17 points this time, depending on the poll.
So, no, not except for 2016.
In any case it looks like there is no way the comming election is going to be clean so actual polls don't matter, the winner
is going to be challenged by the loser before the ballots are counted. Both parties are preparing the field, seeding doubt the
other is going to play fair in the ellection - aka accusations of electoral fraud and such.
Re: Trump Trails
i saw all kinds of numbers. and where are these 'polls'?
i'm in a major city and i've never been polled. i could use a good polling. or maybe i can poll someone and they poll me back
I don't think both parties are "seeding doubt." One party is trying to make the entire system look unfair, broken, and corrupt. The other is trying to make it as easy as possible for everyone to vote. What kind of democracy ar we running if the entire foundation of a winning strategy is to argue that t process is corrupt and to repress the ability of people to vote?
Polls are BS. They probably go to some liberal city or college and ask 300 people what they think and then multiply the results by a million. Then the publish their BS results and hope people assume voting for the competition i lost cause and stay home and not vote. The only way Trump looses this elect is if the dems cheat like they always do. Throw other peoples ballots in th trash, send in a ballot on behalf of their dead grandma, have their dog send a ballot, then send in 50 of their own ballots. We really need to get with times and do online voting. If we can bank online and file our taxes online can vote securely online. Every social security number gets one vote. No m cheating and it'll be much more transparent.
Immortal
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i saw all kinds of numbers. and where are these 'polls'?
i'm in a major city and i've never been polled. i could use a good
polling. or maybe i can poll someone and they poll me back
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Polls are BS. They probably go to some liberal city or college and ask
300 people what they think and then multiply the results by a million.
Then they publish their BS results and hope people assume voting for the competition is a lost cause and stay home and not vote. The only way
Trump looses this election is if the dems cheat like they always do.
Throw other peoples ballots in the trash, send in a ballot on behalf of their dead grandma, have their dog send in a ballot, then send in 50 of their own ballots. We really need to get with the times and do online voting. If we can bank online and file our taxes online we can vote securely online. Every social security number gets one vote. No more cheating and it'll be much more transparent.
grandma, have their dog send in a ballot, then send in 50 of their own ballots. We really need to get with the times and do online voting. If we can bank online and file our taxes online we can vote securely online. Every social security number gets one vote. No more cheating and it'll be much more transparent. Immortal
Honestly, if you compare how US States handle vote by mail against how a place like Spain does it, US methods have a stoneage vibe.
stay home and not vote. The only way Trump looses this election is if the dems cheat like they always do. Throw other peoples
ballots in the trash, send in a ballot on behalf of their dead grandma, have their dog send in a ballot, then send in 50 of
their own ballots. We really need to get with the times and do online voting. If we can bank online and file our taxes online
we can vote securely online. Every social security number gets one vote. No more cheating and it'll be much more transparent.
Re: Trump Trails
well whats going to happen is democrats are going to do the ballots for the people they know who wont go through the trouble of voting. they will request the mail in ballots, give them to the person and get them to sign and then mail it for them.
there's a very good chance biden will win. people are weak and stupid.
All over the Internet. On various news sites. We'll find out in what, two weeks, hopefully.
I lived in Phoenix for 26 years and no one every asked me.
I agree we need secure online voting. But the rest of this statement is just garbage. How much time do you spend on fox news?
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Re: Trump Trails
By: Bob Roberts to Arelor on Fri Oct 16 2020 03:08 pm
I don't think both parties are "seeding doubt." One party is trying to make the entire system look unfair, broken, and corrupt. The other is trying to make it as easy as possible for everyone to vote. What kind of democracy ar we running if the entire foundation of a winning strategy is to argue that t process is corrupt and to repress the ability of people to vote?
Well if the system happens to be corrupt, a strategy built on arguing
the system is corrupt is totally legit...
Honestly, if you compare how US States handle vote by mail against how
a place like Spain does it, US methods have a stoneage vibe.
And Spain sucks, so that is saying something.
Not saying fraud is rampant, but the whole system is so brittle that it
is easy to cast reasonable doubt in my opinion. Just the same way lots
of left-wing groups are arguin that Trump is not going to step off the throne no matter the results and plans to perform a self-coup if he
loses.
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He seems to be down by 10 to 17 points this time, depending on the poll.
Trump is far from perfect but I think he has done a decent job with what he has had to work with. I couldn't bring myself to vote for him the first time and voted 3rd party but I will be voting for him this time. The BS charges and impeachment proceeding was a disgrace. How anyone in their right mind can support Pelosi, Schumer and Biden is beyond me. Get rid of these useless, do nothing, croocked, career politicians and bring in some new blood and maybe we can get somewhere in this country.
Re: Trump Trails
By: the doctor to BLAZ on Fri Oct 16 2020 11:07 am
He seems to be down by 10 to 17 points this time, depending on the
poll.
"seems" to be down..."depending on the poll."
Sounds reliable.
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THE INTERNET! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
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Re: Trump Trails
By: the doctor to BLAZ on Fri Oct 16 2020 11:07 am
Sounds reliable.
Trump is far from perfect but I think he has done a decent job with what he had to work with. I couldn't bring myself to vote for him the first time an voted 3rd party but I will be voting for him this time. The BS charges and impeachment proceeding was a disgrace. How anyone in their right mind can support Pelosi, Schumer and Biden is beyond me. Get rid of these useless, d nothing, croocked, career politicians and bring in some new blood and maybe can get somewhere in this country.
Immortal
Trump is far from perfect but I think he has done a decent job with what he had to work with. I couldn't bring myself to vote for him the first time an voted 3rd party but I will be voting for him this time. The BS charges and impeachment proceeding was a disgrace. How anyone in their right mind can support Pelosi, Schumer and Biden is beyond me. Get rid
of these useless, d nothing, croocked, career politicians and bring in some new blood and maybe can get somewhere in this country.
I think the main reason some people is going to endorse Biden is because he isn't Trump.
Quite frankly, the core of the dems campaign is centered around how bad Trum was much more than around how great Biden is. Which I guess is not a very ba strategy, because Trump himself is controversial enough to lay bad claims against him every day :-)
Trump is far from perfect but I think he has done a decent job with what he had to work with. I couldn't bring myself to vote for him the first time an voted 3rd party but I will be voting for him this time. The BS charges and impeachment proceeding was a disgrace. How anyone in their right mind can support Pelosi, Schumer and Biden is beyond me. Get rid of these useless, d nothing, croocked, career politicians and bring in some new blood and maybe can get somewhere in this country.
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THE INTERNET! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA
What, you think I should go buy a newspaper? (:
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NO, you said they do the polls on the internet. that's ridiculious.
i bet they are polling college students since most of them are liberals.
I agree with you 100 percent. I didn't vote for Trump either. I didn't think
my countrymen were as pissed off as I was. I also felt Trump didn't fit the bill as a Politician because he didn't talk like a politician. Then when I saw
the Dems and my own State Senator try and tear the man down with bullshit I relized we had a long way to go before we can clear out politicans like Shumer
and Pelosi. Voting for Biden will only help them stick around longer and that is intolerable to me!
I don't think both parties are "seeding doubt." One party is trying to make th
entire system look unfair, broken, and corrupt. The other is trying to make it
as easy as possible for everyone to vote. What kind of democracy are we runnin
g if the entire foundation of a winning strategy is to argue that the process i
corrupt and to repress the ability of people to vote?
I am not sure a purely electronic voting system is the way to go. Government IT
here is awful so maybe I am biased.
well whats going to happen is democrats are going to do the ballots for the peo
le they know who wont go through the trouble of voting. they will request the m
il in ballots, give them to the person and get them to sign and then mail it fo
them.
I agree we need secure online voting. But the rest of this statement is just garbage. How much time do you spend on fox news?
HOLD ON. online voting?
no way.
they spent the last 4 years fighting him and trying to get him out. they didnt >ry to improve the country, more like the opposite.
they didnt even attempt to come up with a proper presidential candidate.
really pathetic.
But on the other hand it looks like this elections are about Trump vs media >conglomerates and activist orgs with shady fundraising, which to me suggests - >tin foil hat coming - that Trump got pissed some people with deep pockets and >than these are driving the war on Trump much more than traditional democrats.
I am not sure a purely electronic voting system is the way to go. Government IT
here is awful so maybe I am biased.
I have worked in government IT before and for several years. I am leery of their ability to get anything correct. The difference between voting
systems and any of their others is that, if the government screws it up,
they will never admit it if it is an election system.
My state does not allow for sending a ballot to everyone who is registered.
They have to request it. I think they were hoping to blind text people (I know someone who volunteers to do this, and they verified the texts are blind) and get them to request a ballot when maybe they were not planning
to vote.
BUT, BUT MRO, online voting is SO secure! I mean, those rascally Russian hackers can hack facebook and bend our minds to vote for the Bad Orange Man but they are not smart enough to be able to hack online voting.
I've got a proposal in the works for a system for doing online voting
that would actually be at least as, or more secure than the absentee/mail-in ballots. Cannot speak to specifics until/unless a
decision is made to move forward or not (at my workplace), which won't
be until January at the soonest.
Several years back, your so called "make it as easy as possible for everyone to vote" party wanted votes recounted in several Florida precincts
where there were high minority populations... so long as those minorities were not Cubans and were not members of the US armed forces. So much for not repressing the ability of some people to vote.
for the better since then. They argued it was corrupt then just like they argued it was corrupt in 2016 and just like they will this year if they don't win.
On 10/17/2020 8:04 PM, MRO wrote:
i bet they are polling college students since most of them are
liberals.
They are polling people willing to take the time to answer a poll.
Well someone should! I don't see what the problem is. Setup accounts at the IRS and add a voting form to it. Users can DL it and mail it but submiting i right there would be better. We submit our taxes that way. What's the proble Someone going to "hack" my passord? That's it? So if more then 1 vote is submitted under the same account just void that vote. I think we need to seperate the voting day from the results day. Just get it right and stop all this speculation bullshit!
Re: Re: Trump Trails
By: Tracker1 to Dumas Walker on Sun Oct 18 2020 05:04 pm
> I've got a proposal in the works for a system for doing online voting
> that would actually be at least as, or more secure than the
> absentee/mail-in ballots. Cannot speak to specifics until/unless a
> decision is made to move forward or not (at my workplace), which won't
> be until January at the soonest.
Well someone should! I don't see what the problem is. Setup accounts at the IRS and add a voting form to it. Users can DL it and mail it but submiting it right there would be better. We submit our taxes that way. What's the problem? Someone going to "hack" my passord? That's it? So if more then 1 vote is submitted under the same account just void that vote. I think we need to seperate the voting day from the results day. Just get it right and stop all this speculation bullshit!
I can't speak to any party's activities "several years back". I'm sure you'd agree that both the Dems and the GOP are far different today then they were "several years back." In fact what is the point of even comparing what either party did "several years back"? It proves nothing about what either party is doing now.
for the better since then. They argued it was corrupt then just like they
argued it was corrupt in 2016 and just like they will this year if they
don't win.
I don't think "they" will use the word corrupt. "They" will use the word "voter suppression" which is what the GOP is engaged in. Undermining faith in the election is the strategy of the GOP right now, which when you think about it, is just about as anti-American as you can get - quite interesting coming from the flag-waving nationalists of the GOP.
i bet they are polling college students since most of them are
liberals.
They are polling people willing to take the time to answer a poll.
where?
Hmm... but wouldn't the vote stop being anonymous that way?
The fact the votes can be kept secret is extremely important. Specially in areas where you have actual terrorism going on. It was not long ago that you were as good as dead in some areas of Spain if it became known you were voting
for the wrong party...
Passwords suck for critical applications. Electronic certificates are much more
reliable, which is why Spanish agencies use them instead. The drawback is they
are more complex to use and ultimately out of reach of a big chunk of the population. Some agencies here use one-time-passwords, but those suck big time,
because you have to ask for them, you get them delivered via snail-mail, and they work only once :-)
I can't speak to any party's activities "several years back". I'm sure you'd ree that both the Dems and the GOP are far different today then they were "sev
al years back." In fact what is the point of even comparing what either party
id "several years back"? It proves nothing about what either party is doing n
.
I don't think "they" will use the word corrupt. "They" will use the word "vote
suppression" which is what the GOP is engaged in. Undermining faith in the el
ction is the strategy of the GOP right now, which when you think about it, is j
st about as anti-American as you can get - quite interesting coming from the fl
g-waving nationalists of the GOP.
i'm in a major city and i've never been polled. i could use a good
polling. or maybe i can poll someone and they poll me back
All over the Internet. On various news sites. We'll find out in what, two weeks, hopefully.
I lived in Phoenix for 26 years and no one every asked me.
He lied about his education back then, and has told at least part of that lie during this campaign. The press in 1988 fact checked him and he had to
I've got a proposal in the works for a system for doing online voting that would actually be at least as, or more secure than the absentee/mail-in ballots. Cannot speak to specifics until/unless a
Well someone should! I don't see what the problem is. Setup accounts at the IRS and add a voting form to it. Users can DL it and mail it but submiting it right there would be better. We submit our taxes that way.
I can't get into the details, but there wouldn't be a password involved
at all.
By: Tracker1 to HusTler on Mon Oct 19 2020 07:01 pm
I've got a proposal in the works for a system for doing online voting
that would actually be at least as, or more secure than the
absentee/mail-in ballots. Cannot speak to specifics until/unless a
I hope you have the right contacts to at least have someone look at your proposal. This country needs to do something about it's election system. I think we're in for another fiasco like we had with Gore/Bush. I also think it's ironic we may have a new judge added to the supreme court which could possibly decide the outcome of this years election. Just like Bush/Gore in 2000.
He lied about his education back then, and has told at least part of that lie during this campaign. The press in 1988 fact checked him and he had to
he's still fucking doing it. except his ads say he went to 'delaware'
that's it.
ok joe.
For those running behind, the lies he told in 1988 (and some again now) are:
-- He was at the top of his class in law school (he was near the bottom,
not just "nearer" but below nearly all of the class);
-- He got top marks in a particular Political Science course (he got an F); -- He attended an historically black college (there was no record of this)
CBS and others called him out about it in 1988 and he had to walk it back
and then drop out of the race. To my knowledge, he has done no walk back
of any recent retold lies about his education.
he's still fucking doing it. except his ads say he went to 'delaware'
that's it.
ok joe.
My guess is the person I addressed that to would be all upset if it was Trump lying about his education. Since it is his guy he is ok with it.
For those running behind, the lies he told in 1988 (and some again now) are:
-- He was at the top of his class in law school (he was near the bottom, not just "nearer" but below nearly all of the class);
-- He got top marks in a particular Political Science course (he got an F); -- He attended an historically black college (there was no record of this)
CBS and others called him out about it in 1988 and he had to walk it back and then drop out of the race. To my knowledge, he has done no walk back of any recent retold lies about his education.
He lied about his education back then, and has told at least part of
that lie during this campaign. The press in 1988 fact checked him
and he had to
they dont care what he says. they just want him to beat trump.
he could pull his dick out and fuck the mashed potatos at a luncheon and they'd
back him.
I hope you have the right contacts to at least have someone look at your proposal. This country needs to do something about it's electionI've got a proposal in the works for a system for doing online voting
I work for an election services company, and have the proposal and a few technical details in the works, but given how busy things will be
through January for us, it likely won't even be looked at until then.
CBS and others called him out about it in 1988 and he had to walk it back and then drop out of the race. To my knowledge, he has done no walk back of any recent retold lies about his education.
Re: Re: Trump Trails
By: Tracker1 to Dumas Walker on Wed Oct 21 2020 05:11 pm
CBS and others called him out about it in 1988 and he had to walk it
back and then drop out of the race. To my knowledge, he has done no
walk back of any recent retold lies about his education.
So you're looking for an honest politician? That's not gonna happen bro. EVER!
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