On Fri, 20 Sep 2024 15:18:00 -0500, you wrote:

I guess it depends on how you take it. At the time, I took it as Trump being hard on that particular person and not as a blanket implication of disabled persons as a whole. However, I can easily see where others would take it that way, and I didn't think it was appropriate.

While it is (much moreso now), and definitely was inappropriate.. I'd like to know how many people arguing about this as a reason not to vote for him, have ever called a friend of theirs a retard, or a short bus riding window licker, or slow, etc. Back in the 80s-90s you heard that crap every day, as it was very common.

I think it has to do with people's skin getting much thinner over the years. People's feelings get hurt entirely too easily nowadays.

When people say he "doesn't act 'Presidential,'" while they usually cannot define what that really means I can agree that is one time where he definately didn't act so. Some of his attacks on John McCain were also good examples of inappropriate, "un-Presidential" responses.

He wasn't ever, nor wanted to be groomed to be president. He has always been a business owner and basically ran the country the same way - which was /very/ successful, if I might add. It was definitely a nice break from the previous what, 20 years of Democrat presidents?

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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Fri Sep 20 2024 05:01 pm

I guess it depends on how you take it. At the time, I took it as Trump
being hard on that particular person and not as a blanket implication of
disabled persons as a whole. However, I can easily see where others
would take it that way, and I didn't think it was appropriate.

While it is (much moreso now), and definitely was inappropriate.. I'd like to know how many people arguing about this as a reason not to vote for him, have ever called a friend of theirs a retard, or a short bus riding window licker, or slow, etc. Back in the 80s-90s you heard that crap every day, as it was very common.

I think it has to do with people's skin getting much thinner over the years. People's feelings get hurt entirely too easily nowadays.

I can't say I remember if I've ever called someone that, but generally I avoid using that word. And even so, and even if peoples' skin is thinner these days, I don't think that justifies mocking a disabled person, or makes it appropriate in any way. IMO it's a piece of shit thing to do, and doesn't make me feel good about voting for him.

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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Nightfox to Accession on Fri Sep 20 2024 04:41 pm

I guess it depends on how you take it. At the time, I took it as
Trump being hard on that particular person and not as a blanket
implication of disabled persons as a whole. However, I can easily
see where others would take it that way, and I didn't think it was
appropriate.

While it is (much moreso now), and definitely was inappropriate..
I'd like to know how many people arguing about this as a reason not
to vote for him, have ever called a friend of theirs a retard, or a
short bus riding window licker, or slow, etc. Back in the 80s-90s
you heard that crap every day, as it was very common.

I think it has to do with people's skin getting much thinner over
the
years. People's feelings get hurt entirely too easily nowadays.

I can't say I remember if I've ever called someone that, but generally I avoid using that word. And even so, and even if peoples' skin is thinner these days, I don't think that justifies mocking a disabled person, or makes it appropriate in any way. IMO it's a piece of shit thing to do, and doesn't make me feel good about voting for him.

I guess no ones perfect, you should hear the stories Kamala staffers tell about how she treats them.
Also Hillary has done far worse.

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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Denn to Bf2k+ on Tue Sep 17 2024 08:21 pm

My question? How did he know Trump was going to be there?

Probably a mole in his secret service detail.

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I guess it depends on how you take it. At the time, I took it as Trump being hard on that particular person and not as a blanket implication of disabled persons as a whole. However, I can easily see where others woul
take it that way, and I didn't think it was appropriate.

While it is (much moreso now), and definitely was inappropriate.. I'd like to know how many people arguing about this as a reason not to vote for him, have ever called a friend of theirs a retard, or a short bus riding window licker, or slow, etc. Back in the 80s-90s you heard that crap every day, as it was ver
common.

Yes, it was indeed. I suspect that any folks my age acting appalled about
it now used to say it a lot then.

I think it has to do with people's skin getting much thinner over the years. People's feelings get hurt entirely too easily nowadays.

Indeed. Part of it is probably the way they are raised, but I also think
part of it is how much exposure (and at how young) people have to social
media these days. That opens a whole new door to not only information but
also to a place to have more hurt feelings.

When people say he "doesn't act 'Presidential,'" while they usually canno
define what that really means I can agree that is one time where he definately didn't act so. Some of his attacks on John McCain were also good examples of inappropriate, "un-Presidential" responses.

He wasn't ever, nor wanted to be groomed to be president. He has always been a
business owner and basically ran the country the same way - which was /very/ successful, if I might add. It was definitely a nice break from the previous what, 20 years of Democrat presidents?

I don't think people realize how some politicians are groomed for that. I remember reading years ago that the Kennedys were grooming their eldest for
an eventual Presidential run. He died, so they turned their focus on John.
He had already spent some time not being groomed which made things a little more difficult.


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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Dumas Walker to ACCESSION on Sat Sep 21 2024 10:02 am

I guess it depends on how you take it. At the time, I took it as Trump being hard on that particular person and not as a blanket implication of disabled persons as a whole. However, I can easily see where others woul
take it that way, and I didn't think it was appropriate.

While it is (much moreso now), and definitely was inappropriate.. I'd like to know how many people arguing about this as a reason not to vote for him, have ever called a friend of theirs a retard, or a short bus riding window licker, or slow, etc. Back in the 80s-90s you heard that crap every day, as it was ver
common.

Yes, it was indeed. I suspect that any folks my age acting appalled about it now used to say it a lot then.

you can't say 'that is retarded' and stuff like that because people pretend to be offended. it was used a lot from the 70s-80s when i was growing up.

now retarded people are referred to as "intellectual disability".
but if we used that in a disparaging way, those words would be banned as well.

definately didn't act so. Some of his attacks on John McCain were also good examples of inappropriate, "un-Presidential" responses.

He wasn't ever, nor wanted to be groomed to be president. He has always been a
business owner and basically ran the country the same way - which was /very/ successful, if I might add. It was definitely a nice break from the previous what, 20 years of Democrat presidents?

I don't think people realize how some politicians are groomed for that. I remember reading years ago that the Kennedys were grooming their eldest for an eventual Presidential run. He died, so they turned their focus on John.

i still remember oprah talking to trump trying to get him to be president.
that was in the late 80s when all the democrats loved trump, loved his money and he was godfather to a lot of their children.

an eventual Presidential run. He died, so they turned their focus on John. He had already spent some time not being groomed which made things a little more difficult.

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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Nightfox to Dumas Walker on Thu Sep 19 2024 09:17 am

One of my friends has a couple of disabilities, and he was turned off to Trump as well. It's also made it hard for me to want to support Trump.

I have an autistic grandson who lives here with me and my wife. He is thirteen and a real PITA. However, it isn't hard for me to support Trump.

My wife loves Trump... I don't really like him as a person, but then I don't vote for the person. I vote for the platform.

I prefer the conservative platform to the liberal platform. And I think that Kamala is a complete moron...

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Re: Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Thu Sep 19 2024 01:05 pm

Does anyone need a list of things which make it hard to support Harris?

Other than she is a moron? Nope.

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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Fri Sep 20 2024 05:01 pm

I think it has to do with people's skin getting much thinner over the years. People's feelings get hurt entirely too easily nowadays.

Exactly!!!

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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Bf2k+ to Accession on Sun Sep 22 2024 08:05 pm

Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Accession to Dumas Walker on Fri Sep 20 2024 05:01 pm

I think it has to do with people's skin getting much thinner over the years. People's feelings get hurt entirely too easily nowadays.

Exactly!!!

i really do not think they get their feelings hurt; I think they became conditioned to act against people that are different from them. they are out
to locate enemies.

I see it a lot with 30yrs and under. They think something's always up. they are always wondering if someone is a trump supporter or anti what they are for.

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Yes, it was indeed. I suspect that any folks my age acting appalled about it now used to say it a lot then.

you can't say 'that is retarded' and stuff like that because people pretend to
be offended. it was used a lot from the 70s-80s when i was growing up.

Even more frequent around here was the replacing of the "re" with another
word or partial word.

i still remember oprah talking to trump trying to get him to be president. that was in the late 80s when all the democrats loved trump, loved his money and he was godfather to a lot of their children.

Yeah, they turned on him quick when he ran as a Republican and didn't make
nice with their chosen one, Hillary.


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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Bf2k+ to Nightfox on Sun Sep 22 2024 08:02 pm

My wife loves Trump... I don't really like him as a person, but then I don't vote for the person. I vote for the platform.

I prefer the conservative platform to the liberal platform. And I think that Kamala is a complete moron...

You think she's a moron, but you also say you don't vote for the person, you vote for the platform..?

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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Bf2k+ to Nightfox on Sun Sep 22 2024 20:02:02

I also have an autistic man, my son, living with me. I know the word "retarded" gets a terrible wrap, but it seems to be a clinical word for the problem with my son. He is a bit slow and that is what retarded means (like retarding the timing on your older car). I don't fault mature people for using what was a common decent term in the past. It was not derogatory. I remember that the ARC organization's name was an acronym for "Association of Retarded Citizens". No stigma until jerks started saying "retard" or just "'tard" to people who, like my son, doesn't have capacity to understand that he is different from others.

I suppose people will have a sorts of reasons to vote for particular people, but I think "using the right words" is a pretty shallow criteria for a person tasked with lots of authority and power. "Pretty" or flattering speech is usually a sign that someone is trying to manipulate you, as Harris is trying to flatter votes away from a proven business leader and a former government executive who runs on his record. Kamala whispers "sweet nothings" in so many ears and people seem to like that, as if they were working with a whore as opposed to a potential president. I am not looking for a good lay, I am looking for a president.

For all his trash talking, Trump is a man who is offering to sacrifice (again) a successful career to take on a political war to solve systemic problems that the crony government (swamp) profitably ignores. He points out that Kamala and Biden could have worked to tackle problems for four years that she now says "this is what I will do".

Those are lines every "leader" for decades has spewed to pander for votes and on which few have ever delivered - they get their office, enrich their friends, punish their enemies, and ignore the people who voted for them. Kamala is playing the same old game of saying what more voters want to hear (using "acceptable" words) and her record is to do nothing other than support her friends and benefactors and hide Biden. Harris is just another "good ol' politician" that just happens to be a multy-culty woman (another way to get a few more votes from low-infomation voters).

It is depressing to see the criteria people use to choose their leaders.

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On Mon, 23 Sep 2024 14:58:22 -0700, you wrote:

I prefer the conservative platform to the liberal platform. And

Bf? I think that Kamala is a complete moron...

You think she's a moron, but you also say you don't vote for the
person, you vote for the platform..?

To be fair, he said he preferred the conservative platform to the liberal platform /before/ stating any extended thoughts.

Regards,
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I see it a lot with 30yrs and under. They think something's always up. they >are always wondering if someone is a trump supporter or anti what they are for.

There were some of those around when I was younger, too, but I think folks getting most/all of their opinions from social media has made it a whole
lot worse.


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For all his trash talking, Trump is a man who is offering to sacrifice (again)
a successful career to take on a political war to solve systemic problems that
the crony government (swamp) profitably ignores. He points out that Kamala and
Biden could have worked to tackle problems for four years that she now says "this is what I will do".

I have said for years and years that the Democrats keep certain issues in
their back pockets... the poor, abortion, etc... and intentionally don't do anything to really fix them so that they can pull them out every four years
and claim "now is the time."

Then, once elected, they will blame "Congress" or someone else for these
things not getting done... that is if they don't totally ignore them.

They don't want to fix the problems because then they have nothing to run
on.


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Re: Anyone think there will b
By: Nightfox to Bf2k+ on Mon Sep 23 2024 09:58 am

You think she's a moron, but you also say you don't vote for the person, you vote for the platform..?

I don't think she's a moron... I KNOW she's a moron.

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I guess it depends on how you take it. At the time, I took it a Trump being hard on that particular person and not as a blanket implication of disabled persons as a whole. However, I can easi see where others woul
take it that way, and I didn't think it was appropriate.

As a disabled person, I see no possible interpretation of that moment *other* than a blanket implication of disabled people as a whole.

While it is (much moreso now), and definitely was inappropriate.. I'd to know how many people arguing about this as a reason not to vote fo him, have ever called a friend of theirs a ******, or [REDACTED], MR> > > etc. Back in the 80s-90s you heard that crap
day, as it was very common.

Yes, it was indeed. I suspect that any folks my age acting appalled ab it now used to say it a lot then.

you can't say 'that is ********' and stuff like that because people prete MR> be offended. it was used a lot from the 70s-80s when i was growing up.

No pretending is necessary; that word *is* inherently deeply offensive. It's almost like we've moved on as a society.

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While it is (much moreso now), and definitely was inappropriate.. I'd to know how many people arguing about this as a reason not to vote fo him, have ever called a friend of theirs a ******, or [REDACTED],

etc. Back in the 80s-90s you heard that crap
day, as it was very common.

Yes, it was indeed. I suspect that any folks my age acting appalled ab it now used to say it a lot then.

you can't say 'that is ********' and stuff like that because people prete be offended. it was used a lot from the 70s-80s when i was growing up.

No pretending is necessary; that word *is* inherently deeply offensive. It's almost like we've moved on as a society.

Well, that's because we *have* (moved on). Just like we did in the 30
years before the discussion above; and like we will have done 30 years
from now. It's normal. It's change. It's what happens over time.



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