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  • Re: The divide

    From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Arelor on Sunday, March 02, 2025 17:55:00
    But I do think women should have the ultimate choice, even over my valu and morals.

    I don't know over there, but around here if you get a woman pregnant and then don't want to deal with the baby you get both a whole lot of social backslash, not to mention legal consequences.

    The moral angle of the matter is pretty much non solvable right now because pro-abortion groups argue that an unborn child is not an entity with human qualities enough to warrant rights.

    That said, babies usually grow into becoming motherfuckers, so I say let the abortion spree begin.

    Same over here; it is socially unacceptable to leave a woman to fend for herself during a pregnancy - not that it doesn't happen often, but of course its looked down upon.

    The morality; thats why I always goto the extreme and say, I don't care what you call it - if I have to support a woman KILLING her unborn child, then fine... I don't think thats what it IS, but if it is I support her choice over all.

    If I had to write the rules, I'd say 1st trimester abortions should be available to any woman who wants one - and some very limited options for health of baby/mom after...

    On thing is that the man has no choice. If the woman chooses to have a baby, he can't force an abortion and if the woman chooses abortion, he can't force her to birth his child... hopefully if you've gotten a woman pregnant, you will have those choices, but its ultimately the womans...

    All this to say again; I support a womans right to abortions, and I do fall a bit on the right for other matters - and I can compromise and change my mind when a differing opinion wins me over.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to paulie420 on Monday, March 03, 2025 07:21:39
    Re: Re: The divide
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Sun Mar 02 2025 05:55 pm

    On thing is that the man has no choice. If the woman chooses to have a baby,

    Well, this is what I was talking about.

    The moment you have a sociolegal structure that can force you to pass a sustainment pension to a kid you didn't give birth to, that baby is your problem, therefore abortion matters in their current form are NOT a woman rights issue.

    And furthermore, as long as a sociolegal structure exists so that control over something you are held responsible for (ie. the baby) is granted to a third party (ie. the woman), then the smart play is not to play such a fixed game, at all.

    This issue gets compounded because nowadays there is this tendency for governments to take over education. So if you get laid with a gal you have a non trivial risk of having a child you will be paying for but who will be educated and controlled what the government and in the case of any marriage disagreement you will lose any control off.

    Then they wonder why natality is going down the drain.

    I guess the obvious answer is "Well, Arelor, then do us a favor and don't reproduce" at which point I will just say the people reproducing nowadays are the sort of people who aren't going to pay your pensions or improve the society in the least. So good luck defending the status quo.


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  • From paulie420@VERT/BEERS20 to Arelor on Monday, March 03, 2025 21:55:00
    I guess the obvious answer is "Well, Arelor, then do us a favor and don't reproduce" at which point I will just say the people reproducing
    nowadays are the sort of people who aren't going to pay your pensions or improve the society in the least. So good luck defending the status quo.


    Yea - you just stop f00king. Theres the answer.



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  • From Arelor@VERT/PALANTIR to paulie420 on Tuesday, March 04, 2025 11:32:11
    Re: Re: The divide
    By: paulie420 to Arelor on Mon Mar 03 2025 09:55 pm


    Yea - you just stop f00king. Theres the answer.


    Ceasing to perform biological functions works for me because I don't give a damn. I don't think it will be sustainable for a big number of people in the long run, though.


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