Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Nov 04 2019 09:25 am

Working in the elements is the hardest part. It's cold outside in the winter.;-( What's the hourly rate for programmers?

It can vary widely, depending on experience level and location, and company. A more junior software engineer might start around $30/hour, and more experienced developers might be around $60 and often higher. It's common to

In the tech industry, hourly rates are more common for contractors, and salaries are more common for direct employees. Tech companies often use

So what's the norm for the average programmer? They sign up with a head hunter and get contracted out? How do you put a deadline on a software project? That sounds very stressful to me. How many lines of code per day is expected from a programmer making say $60 an hour. What if you and me work at the same place on the same project. You bang out 200 lines of code a day to my 120 lines. Am I gonna get the axe if I can't put out the same as you?


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 03:28 pm

It can vary widely, depending on experience level and location, and
company. A more junior software engineer might start around $30/hour,
and more experienced developers might be around $60 and often higher.
It's common to

In the tech industry, hourly rates are more common for contractors,
and
salaries are more common for direct employees. Tech companies often use

So what's the norm for the average programmer? They sign up with a head hunter and get contracted out?

That's common but a software developer can also get hired directly with a company if the company (or team) thinks they'd be a good enough fit to spend all the money on salary & benefits on them.

How do you put a deadline on a software
project? That sounds very stressful to me. How many lines of code per day is expected from a programmer making say $60 an hour. What if you and me work at the same place on the same project. You bang out 200 lines of code a day to my 120 lines. Am I gonna get the axe if I can't put out the same as you?

It's not all about lines of code. People code differently, so 100 lines of code from one person isn't necessarily the same as 100 lines of code from someone else for the same task. Usually it's about results, timely delivery of results, and quality.

It's also not all about cranking out code. It's often good to put some thought into the design / how you want to do things before diving into coding. There's also deciding the priorities of things to work on (which can change), etc..

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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 04:57 am

It's a living. Not sure what you consider little pay. Union Plumbers in NY are up to $50.00 an hour. Non Union must be $28.00 hr I would guess. Working the elements is the hardest part. It's cold outside in the winter.;-(
What's the hourly rate for programmers?

also factor in job stability. plumbers dont need to jump jobs frequently.
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Re: Re: OS/2
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Vk3jed on Mon Nov 04 2019 06:18 am

Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Yes, there's likely Microsoft code in all OS/2 versions.

I wonder what the IP ownership looked like. There should be as much IBM developed code in NT/2000 as there is Microsoft code in OS/2.

it probably looks like a goddamn mess.
like i said, the guy explained some of it in the youtube video.
very convoluted.
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Nov 04 2019 09:19 am

My father-in-law and brother-in-law are both plumbers. It sounds like
it ca be tiring and back-breaking work (carrying water heaters & such)
long hours little pay. My father-in-law is retired now, but my
brother-in-law works fo

water heaters arent that heavy dude.
how is tightening pipes back breaking?

and little pay?
did you ever hire a plumber?

Well my brother-in-law complains about being tired a lot.. I'm just going f what I've heard.

i'm tired a lot. i was working 80 hr+ work weeks.

i dont think he's tired.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Gamgee to HusTler on Sun Nov 03 2019 06:42 pm

HusTler wrote to Gamgee <=-

IRC is not dead. Many tech (especially Linux-related) channels
are still very active. Even the #synchronet channel on
irc.synchro.net is reasonably busy (and helpful).

I know support stuff is available. I was thinking general chat.
Do you know any BBS discussion chat channels?

Other than the above-mentioned one, I don't see many out there.

I guess meeting chicks is out of the question being everyone
in IRC is a pediphile.

That's a pretty dumb (and untrue) thing to say. Come on man. You
really don't do yourself any favors by saying garbage like that.

... All hope abandon, ye who enter messages here.

It's like any other socia media that's no longer in the spotlight. Even when AOL shut down their internal forums and rooms services about 10 years ago, there were still active users, but not enough to warrant keeping the servers running. AOL finally shut down AIM for the same reason. The people keeping channels open are going to be enthusiasts that either like to use a service
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 04:21 pm

Well my brother-in-law complains about being tired a lot.. I'm just
going f what I've heard.

i'm tired a lot. i was working 80 hr+ work weeks.

i dont think he's tired.

I hear of him working long weeks like that. He doesn't have much free time.

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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Nov 04 2019 01:19 pm

It's also not all about cranking out code. It's often good to put some thought into the design / how you want to do things before diving into coding. There's also deciding the priorities of things to work on (which can change), etc..

Nightfox

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to MRO on Mon Nov 04 2019 04:10 pm

Well my brother-in-law complains about being tired a lot.. I'm just
going f what I've heard.

i'm tired a lot. i was working 80 hr+ work weeks.

i dont think he's tired.

I hear of him working long weeks like that. He doesn't have much free time.

well, i've been a pipe fitter for commercial water treatment systems.
so i was cutting and threading pipe, brazing, welding and i had to think out things on the fly to get them to worth with certain situations.


so skill wise, i am a plumber. experience wise, i know enough to get by, but there are a few things i'd have to look up. overall it's not a real hard job. It's not a job i like and for most things i'd pay someone to do what i know how to do.

i'm not sure what his workload situation is or what his physical situation is. perhaps he needs an assistant to help him move pipe and materials so he can divert his focus onto the real part of the job.
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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:00 pm

It's also not all about cranking out code. It's often good to put
some thought into the design / how you want to do things before diving
into coding. There's also deciding the priorities of things to work
on (which can change), etc..

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

It's often just about experience, and location (i.e., in a big market like Silicon Valley, Seattle, or New York, etc., someone would likely earn more due to cost of living). You can get into programming with a college degree (associate's or bachelor's) or through a software "boot camp", which have become popular lately - They usually have fewer classes than a traditional college and mainly focus just on programming to get students through more quickly than a traditional college program.

Sometimes there are certifications you can get, such as a Java certification, but I'm not sure how valuable those are in addition to the usual software education.

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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:56 pm

i'm not sure what his workload situation is or what his physical situation is. perhaps he needs an assistant to help him move pipe and materials so he can divert his focus onto the real part of the job.

From what I've heard, it sounds like the company he works for is under-staffed, so he's fairly busy with a lot of jobs.

Nightfox

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On 11-04-19 06:18, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Vk3jed wrote to Dumas Walker <=-

Yes, there's likely Microsoft code in all OS/2 versions.

I wonder what the IP ownership looked like. There should be as much IBM developed code in NT/2000 as there is Microsoft code in OS/2.

I'm not so sure nowadays, but certainly in the earlier days of Windows NT there would have been.


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HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00
an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number
of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

I would think it's like the difference between the guy who changes your oil and the guy who rebuilds your engine.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Brokenmind to Vk3jed on Wed Oct 30 2019 03:37 pm

I have a ton of Elite Files for Old School BBS related programs. BBS Software , Utils , doors, and cracks ,patches ,serials for them. I also carry all ready fully registerd BBS Software as well...

Do you have a copy of BB/ST v2.xx for the Atari ST? It's my grail program, been looking for it for a log time.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: poindexter FORTRAN to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 05:59 am

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number

I would think it's like the difference between the guy who changes your oil and the guy who rebuilds your engine.

Same guy in my world ;-). How many languages can the $30.00 guy program in? Can the $60.00 an hour programmer do it all like my mechanic can?


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to poindexter FORTRAN on Tue Nov 05 2019 10:29 am

Same guy in my world ;-). How many languages can the $30.00 guy program in? Can the $60.00 an hour programmer do it all like my mechanic can?

One thing I think is interesting is that if you're a direct employee of a company, a salary is a lot more common than an hourly rate in the software industry. So someone might earn $120,000/year regardless of if they work 40 hours one week or put in some extra time and work 60 hours one week. Tech companies often make use of contractors though, through 3rd-party contracting companies, and contractors get an hourly rate. Contractors are often used because contractors work for a different company, so the company making use of them doesn't have to give them all the benefits they give their own employees. And health insurance and other things through contracting companies isn't always as good as what you might get by working as an actual employee of the company.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:19 pm

Keep in mind that a lot of BBSes these days have web interfaces, so the messages we post here can show up online in web searches.

Nightfox

Yeah I am aware of the web interface of certain boards. It's more hurtful than helpful IMO. I log into to BBSes to get away from the web, and yet like you said this is searchable by anyone. It is what it is though.. We're all going to be eatin alive by those AI monsters!


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Nov 03 2019 10:11 pm

water heaters arent that heavy dude.

I guess depending on a persons size and physical limitations a water heater can be easy to handle, or a royal PITA. I don't have all the facts on this case so I can't know how to properly respond.

We can all relate on one aspect though: If the water heater teeter totters after install, slap the shit out of your installer. ;)

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Nov 03 2019 10:12 pm

After pasting something, it's good to proofread your message before you hit enter/send.. Sometimes it happens though.

i type really fast and i hit enter really fast too.

Haha. I mean we spend most the day typing on devices that basically know what we're going to type before we do. And then we login to the past and completely have a come apart trying to remember how to do this typing thing for ourselves =)))

I had to hit the back button a few dozen times just writing this. LOL


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 04 2019 05:55 pm

Have you ever tried Track & Field? I think you'd be a natural in the long jump.

Or archery? Drawing the long bow. :D

Mmmmmm that tension is great until you smack yourself in the face!


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Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: HusTler to Nightfox on Mon Nov 04 2019 07:00 pm

Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: Nightfox to HusTler on Mon Nov 04 2019 01:19 pm

It's also not all about cranking out code. It's often good to put some thought into the design / how you want to do things before diving into coding. There's also deciding the priorities of things to work on (which can change), etc..

Nightfox

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hou

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It can also be determined by the industry they support. QA testing sounds important, however they are some of the lowest paid developers. I would imagine anyone who deals with enterprise resource apps such as SAP are pretty valuable.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Vk3jed on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:59 pm

Mmmmmm that tension is great until you smack yourself in the face!

I've never slapped myself in the face, but have gotten a burn on my bow arm from the string. Ouch!

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Nov 04 2019 05:55 pm

Have you ever tried Track & Field? I think you'd be a natural in the long jump.

Or archery? Drawing the long bow. :D

Mmmmmm that tension is great until you smack yourself in the face!

Highly strung? :D


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poindexter FORTRAN wrote to HusTler <=-

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00
an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number
of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

I would think it's like the difference between the guy who
changes your oil and the guy who rebuilds your engine.

Yep, or like the difference between the waiter who brings you your
dinner and the master chef who cooks it. Both work in the "food
service" industry.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under R
By: poindexter FORTRAN to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 05:59 am

HusTler wrote to Nightfox <=-

Thanks. I was just wondering what the difference is between a $30.00 an Hour Progammer and a $60.00 an hour progammer. Other than the number of years experience. I would imagine there are tests and certifications invloved.

I would think it's like the difference between the guy who changes your oil and the guy who rebuilds your engine.

you can think that but you mgiht be wrong.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:50 pm

like you said this is searchable by anyone. It is what it is though.. We're all going to be eatin alive by those AI monsters!

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It's basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on you to give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK with that!

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:50 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 03 2019 07:19 pm

Keep in mind that a lot of BBSes these days have web interfaces, so the messages we post here can show up online in web searches.

Nightfox

Yeah I am aware of the web interface of certain boards. It's more hurtful th helpful IMO. I log into to BBSes to get away from the web, and yet like you said this is searchable by anyone. It is what it is though.. We're all going

we can turn off guest access and prevent that. but still, anything you say here is repeated like 100x in google's cache of the synchronet web interfaces with guest access.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Tue Nov 05 2019 09:33 pm

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It' basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on you t give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK w that!

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so maybe this system is something that is a prototype.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 08:54 pm

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China.
It' basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so maybe this system is something that is a prototype.
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Yea it is.. I saw this Documentary on PBS about AI and how it's going to change the world. It seems the Chinese people welcome this type of intrusive data sharing. It's driving their economy. They also claim the only way to bring down highway fatalities is to mandate driverless cars. I don't want to live in a world like that yet alone use this shit. But that's just me I guess.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Tue Nov 05 2019 09:33 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:50 pm
Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It's basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on you to give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK with that

We have cards that you just tap the reader and *presto* it charges your account. There's online credit approval and no one sees your face. Facial recogition software these days is very accurate. I would say this is better, because there is no card to steal and it is much harder to steal a face.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China.

We have cards that you just tap the reader and *presto* it charges your account. There's online credit approval and no one sees your face. Facial recogition software these days is very accurate. I would say this is better, because there is no card to steal and it is much harder to steal a face.

I dunno. I'm already paranoid about my identity getting stolen. It's going to take some getting used to if ever. Hopefully I'll be long gone before my face is associated with my bank account. Am I the only one that see's a problem with this? Where is the jump off point for all this?

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files under L
By: Android8675 to Brokenmind on Tue Nov 05 2019 07:13 am

Do you have a copy of BB/ST v2.xx for the Atari ST? It's my grail program, been looking for it for a log time.

I'm not sure but I don't think so. The BBS softwares I have are windows based. Your more then welcome to stop by....

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I dunno. I'm already paranoid about my identity getting stolen. It's going to
take some getting used to if ever. Hopefully I'll be long gone before my face >s associated with my bank account. Am I the only one that see's a problem with >his? Where is the jump off point for all this?

I am also skeptical. I would much rather someone steal my card than cut my head off in order to steal what measley funds are in my accounts. :o


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:27 am

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so may this system is something that is a prototype.
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Yea it is.. I saw this Documentary on PBS about AI and how it's going to change the world. It seems the Chinese people welcome this type of intrusive data sharing. It's driving their economy. They also claim the only way to br down highway fatalities is to mandate driverless cars. I don't want to live

there is a guy on youtube. serpentza
he is a bit of an arrogant dick, part of that is probably because he seems that way because he's south african.

anyways, his older videos about china are pretty good.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

We have cards that you just tap the reader and *presto* it charges your account. There's online credit approval and no one sees your face. Facial recogition software these days is very accurate. I would say this is better, because there is no card to steal and it is much harder to steal a face.

they can still steal it via an online transaction.
dont worry about it, it's all insured anyways.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 08:54 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Tue Nov 05 2019 09:33 pm

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on yo give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their O that!

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so maybe t system is something that is a prototype.

In India their higher denomination bills are being phased out to make it more difficult to move large sums of paper money around. I can see this happen in the US. If the $100 bill was phased out, paying cash for a vehicle would be more of a hassle paying with 50's and 20's.I think the government and major corporations would like to see everything go digital so there will be a
digital record of every transaction. Not just for legal reasons, but also
for tracking buying habits.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:27 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Tue Nov 05 2019 08:54 pm

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China.
It' basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so may this system is something that is a prototype.
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Yea it is.. I saw this Documentary on PBS about AI and how it's going to ch
is to mandate driverless cars. I don't want to live in a world like that ye

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Sir Air Walker on Tue Nov 05 2019 09:33 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Sir Air Walker to Nightfox on Tue Nov 05 2019 02:50 pm
Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It's basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data you to give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK with that

We have cards that you just tap the reader and *presto* it charges your acco al and it is much harder to steal a face.

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If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Grease on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:42 am

If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

Good point. It just occured to me if we do ever get to facial recognition some company will make millions securing our privacy for an extra fee. Something you younger folks should be thinking abour career wise. ;-)



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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to Grease on Wed Nov 06 2019 04:26 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

my face is associated with my bank account. Am I the only one that see's a problem with this? Where is the jump off point for all this?

It's still online purchases and card swipers that I still worry about.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Grease on Wed Nov 06 2019 11:21 pm

they can still steal it via an online transaction.
dont worry about it, it's all insured anyways.

I mentioned that in a relpy. But an in-person transaction is now very difficult. I think nowdays, people are gonna find ways to steal. It just keeps the honest people honest.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Grease on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:42 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

We're already there. You can't walk anywhere's basically with being on a camera at some point. You can even log online and watch.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Grease on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:42 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Grease to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:41 am

If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

We're already there. You can't walk anywhere's basically with being on a camera at some point. You can even log online and watch.

Grease

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Mro on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:33 am

In India their higher denomination bills are being phased out to make it more difficult to move large sums of paper money around. I can see this happen in the US. If the $100 bill was phased out, paying cash for a vehicle would be more of a hassle paying with 50's and 20's.I think the government and major corporations would like to see everything go digital so there will be a digital record of every transaction. Not just for legal reasons, but also for tracking buying habits.

If someone wants to buy a car with paper cash bills, I don't see why that would be a big problem as long as the money was obtained legally. It would be more common to pay with a check or something, but cash is "legal tender for all debts private and public". I'd think the government would be doing a disservice by phasing out $100 bills.

Sometimes I've thought it would be nice to have $1000 bills..

Nightfox

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Nightfox wrote to Moondog <=-

Sometimes I've thought it would be nice to have $1000 bills..

They used to exist. Taken out of circulation in the 1960's I
believe. I'm sure there are some still around, and likely worth
more than their face value.



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MRO wrote to HusTler <=-

Speaking of AI has anyone heard of the "Social Credit Sytem" in China. It' basically a credit card that uses your face. Computers collect data on you t give you credit and pay for stuff with your smile. Holy Cow. And their OK w that!

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so
maybe this system is something that is a prototype.

There's a guy who writes for 2600 called "The Prophet" who's written a
column called "The Telecom Informer" for years. He works for a telco and has traveled around the world on projects.

He talked about China a few years back, and made it sound like most of the economy was run on burner 2g feature phones with sms payments.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Gamgee to Nightfox on Fri Nov 08 2019 07:41 am

They used to exist. Taken out of circulation in the 1960's I
believe. I'm sure there are some still around, and likely worth
more than their face value.

They'd probably get you a visit from the DEA. $1000 bills (and $500 bills) were taken out of circulation to ostensibly hamper drug sales, and also to make it more difficult to get capital out of the country.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Mro on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:33 am

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so mayb system is something that is a prototype.

In India their higher denomination bills are being phased out to make it mor difficult to move large sums of paper money around. I can see this happen i the US. If the $100 bill was phased out, paying cash for a vehicle would be more of a hassle paying with 50's and 20's.I think the government and major

yeah but i've seen cash deals just for the purpose of hiding it from the govt. they use 20s.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Grease on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:42 am

If banking devices can detect your face, the ability to be incognito in any place that has cameras will no longer exist.

right now they are making a database of faces.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 06:40 am

There's a guy who writes for 2600 called "The Prophet" who's written a column called "The Telecom Informer" for years. He works for a telco and has traveled around the world on projects.

He talked about China a few years back, and made it sound like most of the economy was run on burner 2g feature phones with sms payments.
... Where is the center of the maze?

i watch a lot of videos about china and i've never heard of that.
it's one of my hobbies.

i wouldnt trust 2600 staff nowadays. i think they're all posers.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Nov 07 2019 07:57 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Mro on Thu Nov 07 2019 12:33 am

In India their higher denomination bills are being phased out to make i more difficult to move large sums of paper money around. I can see this happen in the US. If the $100 bill was phased out, paying cash for a vehicle would be more of a hassle paying with 50's and 20's.I think the government and major corporations would like to see everything go digit so there will be a digital record of every transaction. Not just for le reasons, but also for tracking buying habits.

If someone wants to buy a car with paper cash bills, I don't see why that wo lic". I'd think the government would be doing a disservice by phasing out $

Sometimes I've thought it would be nice to have $1000 bills..

Nightfox

The point is an oppressive government (and big business) would like to track every purchase you made and who and where you bought it from.

Historically cash was king because there wasn't a need to bring in a third party to process a transaction, and you knew that transaction was final with cash in hand. The other nice thing about cash was the bargaining power a person has when they can offer a bit less than what you ask for because they can expedite a sale faster because they don't have to rely on a check that
may not be good.

That's where buying a used car, boat, etc with cash comes in handy. Simple transaction, plus a seller might sell for less if offered cash.

Technology is making face to face transaction simpler, however there's times
I can see how a simple transaction or petty cash purchase isn't worth the hassle of going through a third party money handler.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Nov 08 2019 03:56 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: poindexter FORTRAN to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 06:40 am

There's a guy who writes for 2600 called "The Prophet" who's written a column called "The Telecom Informer" for years. He works for a telco and traveled around the world on projects.

He talked about China a few years back, and made it sound like most of th economy was run on burner 2g feature phones with sms payments.
... Where is the center of the maze?

i watch a lot of videos about china and i've never heard of that.
it's one of my hobbies.

i wouldnt trust 2600 staff nowadays. i think they're all posers.

I saw a youtube video the other where the reporter in the Shenzen region was able to sign up with a paypal style service and all the buyer had to do was scan a qrf code from the seller, then type in the amount to transfer. This system was moving to facial recognition to replace the need to have a device that creates a qrf code. Imagine if you dropped your phone and cracked the display, and the neighbor wants to pay you for watching their house while
they were on vacation. You wouldn't be able to display a qrf code from your screen, however they could scan your face and make the transaction.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Nov 09 2019 05:55 pm

The point is an oppressive government (and big business) would like to track every purchase you made and who and where you bought it from.

if you buy something online at walmart and have an account, it tracks every single purchase you made with the card, no matter if you are in the store or not.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Moondog on Sat Nov 09 2019 07:39 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Sat Nov 09 2019 05:55 pm

The point is an oppressive government (and big business) would like to tr every purchase you made and who and where you bought it from.

if you buy something online at walmart and have an account, it tracks every single purchase you made with the card, no matter if you are in the store or not.

You're paying through a third party service (credit or debit card) so yes,
your transaction will be tracked by both the store and the bank.

I'm referring to face to face sales, and small business sales where services are provided, but not necessarily need to be reported.

If I buy a C64 or other used itemon Craigslist and pay cash, there is no record
of the purchase except between the seller and customer, even with a receipt. Same applies if I pay the neighbor's kid to rake the leaves, or pay a friend who is an electrician to help put lights in my garage.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 10:04 am

if you buy something online at walmart and have an account, it tracks eve single purchase you made with the card, no matter if you are in the store not.

You're paying through a third party service (credit or debit card) so yes, your transaction will be tracked by both the store and the bank.

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you buy.
you can look up your purchase history.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Nov 10 2019 01:48 pm

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you buy.
you can look up your purchase history.

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase history too.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 05:22 pm

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase history too.

All my purchases since 2001 are logged mostly. Fun.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 05:22 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Nov 10 2019 01:48 pm

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you buy. you can look up your purchase history.

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase histor too.

okay read carefully:

once walmart records your credit card number, it then tracks everything you buy at the register. every pack of gum, or loaf of bread, etc.

i'm not taking about a list of online purchases.
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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Nightfox on Mon Nov 11 2019 12:07 am

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you
buy. you can look up your purchase history.

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase
histor too.

okay read carefully:

once walmart records your credit card number, it then tracks everything you buy at the register. every pack of gum, or loaf of bread, etc.

i'm not taking about a list of online purchases.

I know.. My point was it's not just Wal Mart. And it's not just Amazon or other online stores either. I imagine Target, Kroger, or any other major store tracks what you purchase with your credit card.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Nov 10 2019 01:48 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 10:04 am

if you buy something online at walmart and have an account, it tracks single purchase you made with the card, no matter if you are in the st not.

You're paying through a third party service (credit or debit card) so yes your transaction will be tracked by both the store and the bank.

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you buy.
you can look up your purchase history.

Understood. My last sentence said your transaction will be tracked by both
the store and bank

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 05:22 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to Moondog on Sun Nov 10 2019 01:48 pm

no, you dont understand. wallmart is recording all the shit you buy. you can look up your purchase history.

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase histor

Nightfox

That is where I'm going when referring why some would rather circumvent conventioanl retailers in favor buying direct from farmers or making other fac e to face cash transactions. Is it really anyone else' business how much
food a person cans and stores for later?

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Matt Munson to Nightfox on Sun Nov 10 2019 06:44 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sun Nov 10 2019 05:22 pm

It's not just Wal Mart. Amazon and other stores record your purchase history too.

All my purchases since 2001 are logged mostly. Fun.

I hate how some sellers like to recommend products based on previous
purchases. When my mother's health was diminishing due to years of smoking
over 2/3 of her life, it was more convenient to purchase some medical items online than go through a local drug store (no prescription, comfort stuff.) She's passed away, however the online retailers suggestions based on what I
was buying for her keep showing up when I sign on to make purchases.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 11 2019 09:33 am

That is where I'm going when referring why some would rather circumvent conventioanl retailers in favor buying direct from farmers or making other fac e to face cash transactions. Is it really anyone else' business how much food a person cans and stores for later?

On one hand, I'm not sure I care if someone knows how much food I've stored. It doesn't really seem like an important piece of information that needs to be kept hush-hush. But on the other hand, I don't think they really need to know either.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Matt Munson on Mon Nov 11 2019 09:42 am

I hate how some sellers like to recommend products based on previous purchases. When my mother's health was diminishing due to years of smoking over 2/3 of her life, it was more convenient to purchase some medical items online than go through a local drug store (no prescription, comfort stuff.) She's passed away, however the online retailers suggestions based on what I was buying for her keep showing up when I sign on to make purchases.

I think it's funny when they show you ads for things you've already purchased. I just purchased some of that - Why would I need to buy more right now?

Nightfox

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I know.. My point was it's not just Wal Mart. And it's not just Amazon or oth
r online stores either. I imagine Target, Kroger, or any other major store tra
ks what you purchase with your credit card.

Kroger does it with their damn member cards, too.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Mon Nov 11 2019 10:55 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Mon Nov 11 2019 09:33 am

That is where I'm going when referring why some would rather circumvent conventioanl retailers in favor buying direct from farmers or making ot fac e to face cash transactions. Is it really anyone else' business how much food a person cans and stores for later?

On one hand, I'm not sure I care if someone knows how much food I've stored.

Nightfox

It does sound silly but some preppers worry about others knowing how much
they have stored away. When something major does happen and services we rely on everyday aren't coming back right away, people don't want anyone knowing there's a year supply of food for an entire family stashed away. Imagine if FEMA or another government agency is tipped off that you're hoarding food,
and would like to take it from you to give to someone else?

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue Nov 12 2019 01:36 am

It does sound silly but some preppers worry about others knowing how much they have stored away. When something major does happen and services we rely on everyday aren't coming back right away, people don't want anyone knowing there's a year supply of food for an entire family stashed away. Imagine if FEMA or another government agency is tipped off that you're hoarding food, and would like to take it from you to give to someone else?

That's true.. You need to take care of yourself and your family, though it's good to help others too.

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It does sound silly but some preppers worry about others knowing how much they have stored away. When something major does happen and services we rely on everyday aren't coming back right away, people don't want anyone knowing there's a year supply of food for an entire family stashed away. Imagine if FEMA or another government agency is tipped off that you're hoarding food, and would like to take it from you to give to someone else?

I would worry more about the government sticking their nose in, during a
major crisis, than my neighbors. There is an episode of The (original) Twilight Zone about one neighbor who builds a bomb shelter. The others
make fun of him until there is a scare. Then it becomes a story of the ant
and grasshopper... he has enough for him, his wife, and kid, but the whole block wants him to take care of them.

I did a few prepper-like things when Y2K was coming up, and again right
after 9/11. I did not tell anyone I was stocking up on things. It might
sound paranoid, but people get really crazy when they get really scared,
and I figure an event that one needs to prep for will also be one that really scares folks.


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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Tue Nov 12 2019 10:16 am

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to Nightfox on Tue Nov 12 2019 01:36 am

It does sound silly but some preppers worry about others knowing how mu they have stored away. When something major does happen and services we rely on everyday aren't coming back right away, people don't want anyon knowing there's a year supply of food for an entire family stashed away Imagine if FEMA or another government agency is tipped off that you're hoarding food, and would like to take it from you to give to someone el

That's true.. You need to take care of yourself and your family, though it'

Nightfox

Taking care of others can only go so far, though. Let's say there's a disaster, the basic SHTF that disrupts the delivery of food to stores and the local disaster relief organization is over 60 miles away. A family shows up
on your doorstep, you feel sorry, and put together a "go away pack" to help them in their travels. The next day you learn the hard way they were the advanced scouting party for a much larger group that doesn't ask politely for help. Even worse, they tell whoever is in charge of the local relief group that you may be sitting on a large stash of shelf stable foods or reserves,
and they come to confiscate these to feed others?

Some preppers go through various forms of operational security (opsec) to conceal their survival plans to their neighbors. Some food distributors are aware of this and are chosen because of their confidentiality. One company of fers shipping at odd hours such as the middle of the night to drop off deliveries. Of course, if you live in a cul de sac where your neighbors are 2 0 feet away, a semi full of pallets of barrels is going to really look suspicious.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Dumas Walker to MOONDOG on Tue Nov 12 2019 04:43 pm

It does sound silly but some preppers worry about others knowing how much they have stored away. When something major does happen and services we r on everyday aren't coming back right away, people don't want anyone knowin there's a year supply of food for an entire family stashed away. Imagine FEMA or another government agency is tipped off that you're hoarding food, and would like to take it from you to give to someone else?

I would worry more about the government sticking their nose in, during a major crisis, than my neighbors. There is an episode of The (original) Twilight Zone about one neighbor who builds a bomb shelter. The others
make fun of him until there is a scare. Then it becomes a story of the ant and grasshopper... he has enough for him, his wife, and kid, but the whole block wants him to take care of them.

I did a few prepper-like things when Y2K was coming up, and again right after 9/11. I did not tell anyone I was stocking up on things. It might sound paranoid, but people get really crazy when they get really scared,
and I figure an event that one needs to prep for will also be one that reall scares folks.

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I worked as an IT contractor on a few Y2k projects from 1997-99. The big businesses such as banking had all this stuff worked out when they first realized they needed a fix for clients reaching the age of 100. Most of what I did was testing and replacing hardware at the desktop level. Another
project involved testing software the client could not get an updated version from a vendor, or at least characterize how the severity of non-compliance.
I wasn't too concerned about the lights going out.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: MRO to HusTler on Wed Nov 06 2019 10:54 pm

Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: HusTler to MRO on Wed Nov 06 2019 08:27 am

i heard that in china they prefer to use cash for most purposes, so may this system is something that is a prototype.
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Yea it is.. I saw this Documentary on PBS about AI and how it's going to change the world. It seems the Chinese people welcome this type of intrusive data sharing. It's driving their economy. They also claim the only way to br down highway fatalities is to mandate driverless cars. I don't want to live

there is a guy on youtube. serpentza
he is a bit of an arrogant dick, part of that is probably because he seems that way because he's south african.

Speaking as someone who has known a few Afrikaners IRL, the apparent atitude is really a product of acculturation differences. They all tend to come across as really arrogant, but once you get to know the culture, you adjust your baseline for a lot of things. Sort of how you get used to expecting a certain level of specific kinds of stupidity from an American or a European or any of several other cultures.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Nightfox to Moondog on Thu Nov 07 2019 07:57 pm

Sometimes I've thought it would be nice to have $1000 bills..

Nightfox

The US used to have larger denomination notes, but they were mostly for use by banks and such. Technically, the ones that still exist are valid tender, but they are so rare now that they are worth a *LOT* more than face value.

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Re: Re: Reading QWK files und
By: Moondog to MRO on Sat Nov 09 2019 06:07 pm

I saw a youtube video the other where the reporter in the Shenzen region was able to sign up with a paypal style service and all the buyer had to do was scan a qrf code from the seller, then type in the amount to transfer. This

That sounds a lot like WeChat. It's a combination social netowrk, messaging platform, payments, and a lot of other crap. I've actually seen a few places in the US that use it in areas with a large first-generation Asian population.

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