Re: Re: PCs, General
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 04 2019 04:28 pm

created. I absolutely hated it. Maybe once you got it configured the way you wanted it would behave better, but I didn't like it. I stayed with X until 7.

I think part of the problem was that most of the systems I saw running Vista were cheap, underpowered systems. Celerons, 2-4 GB of RAM, slow spinning drives...

i think you have your ram amount set too high. those computers didnt really have that much memory.

vista would run fine on 4gigs of ram. not sure about less.

i've ran win7 on 1ghz laptops with 1 gigs of ram and they worked fine so vista is probably comparable.

i think xp people just liked xp and switching to vista was a big change for them.
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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Vk3jed to poindexter FORTRAN on Sat Oct 05 2019 07:30 pm

Yes, stock Android is the best.

I've been using Samsung Android phones for a long time, and I've tended to use the Samsung web browser - probably because that was the default web browser on them. At first I didn't even realise it was Samsung's browser..

One thing that has bugged me about Android though (or maybe Samsung), is that they removed a couple useful featurse I used to use: Customized text notification tones that you could set per contact, and the "re-send" texting feature. If you tried to send a text to someone and it failed, you could long-tap it and select "re-send", but they removed that option out a few years ago. Now, I have to copy & paste the text and send it again if it fails. My cell signal is bad at work, so I have to do that fairly often.

I also used to set a customized text notification sound for some contacts, and it bugs me that they removed that too..

Nightfox

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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Sat Oct 05 2019 07:49 pm

windows ME was probably the worst version of windows created.

I used ME for a while, and it ran fairly stable with me. I didn't really have any issues with it.

Nightfox

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On 10-05-19 07:06, poindexter FORTRAN wrote to Vk3jed <=-

True dat. I bought a Motorola G6 Forge (I think it's really a Play)
from my MVNO last year. it was $99, and Moto bundles as close to stock Android as I've seen. Nice phone.

yEAH SOUNDS GOOD. :)


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On 10-05-19 20:35, Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

I've been using Samsung Android phones for a long time, and I've tended
to use the Samsung web browser - probably because that was the default
web browser on them. At first I didn't even realise it was Samsung's browser..

Yeah, I think I've seen that on a friend's Samsung.

One thing that has bugged me about Android though (or maybe Samsung),
is that they removed a couple useful featurse I used to use: Customized text notification tones that you could set per contact, and the
"re-send" texting feature. If you tried to send a text to someone and
it failed, you could long-tap it and select "re-send", but they removed that option out a few years ago. Now, I have to copy & paste the text
and send it again if it fails. My cell signal is bad at work, so I
have to do that fairly often.

I haven't had cause t use either of those functions. I use a third party text app anyway, so it's different for me. :)

I also used to set a customized text notification sound for some
contacts, and it bugs me that they removed that too..

That would be handy. I find it annoying that a lot of Android apps don't allow customised notification tones, but there is a workaround that does the trick.
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On 10-05-19 19:49, MRO wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-

windows ME was probably the worst version of windows created.

It was known as "Windows Must Erase". :D

vista wasnt that bad. you just need to tweak a few things.

Yep, I had a good experience with Vista.


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On 10-05-19 19:52, MRO wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

vista would run fine on 4gigs of ram. not sure about less.

My Vista machine had 4GB and it was fine.


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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: MRO to Zombie Mambo on Sat Oct 05 2019 07:49 pm

Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Zombie Mambo to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 03 2019 01:50 pm

Vista? I thought vista wasone of the worst versions of windows ever crea I absolutely hated it. Maybe once you got it configured the way you wante would behave better, but I didn't like it. I stayed with XP until 7.

windows ME was probably the worst version of windows created.

vista wasnt that bad. you just need to tweak a few things.

Millenium Edition sucked hard. It was essentially a service pack for Win98 that had too much crap in it, and they pawned it off as an OS "upgrade." Whil e Win2k was what I consider a hit in the business market, I feel it took a
hit because consumers mistook it for ME.

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Moondog wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-

The "Vista Ready" campaign tanked because of lower resource machines
being sold with all the bells and whistles optimized.

That's true - turn down UAC to a reasonable level and turn off most of the animations and Vista would run comparably to XP.


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Nightfox wrote to Vk3jed <=-

Yes, stock Android is the best.

I've been using Samsung Android phones for a long time, and I've tended
to use the Samsung web browser - probably because that was the default
web browser on them. At first I didn't even realise it was Samsung's browser..

I use the Samsung browser as my default browser on my Motorola phone. It's downloadable from the Play Store.

Chrome has this feature where it doesn't work on some of the coffee-shop
wifi portals, where there's no SSID and web traffic is redirected to a
captive portal for you to accept terms of service, or enter a password.

Chrome will sometimes try to hit a site on the internet and give up when it doesn't respond. Samsung internet worked fine.

One thing that has bugged me about Android though (or maybe Samsung),
is that they removed a couple useful featurse I used to use: Customized text notification tones that you could set per contact, and the
"re-send" texting feature. If you tried to send a text to someone and
it failed, you could long-tap it and select "re-send", but they removed that option out a few years ago. Now, I have to copy & paste the text
and send it again if it fails. My cell signal is bad at work, so I
have to do that fairly often.

One of the features I missed that they later took out was selective notification on email. You could set up a "preferred sender" list in their client, and create separate notifications for each - or only notify on preferred senders. That was something Blackberry had in spades - you could even selectively download email based on priority, so I wouldn't even have emails on my phone from bulk emailers, mail cc:ed to me, etc.


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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Oct 06 2019 04:47 pm

On 10-05-19 19:49, MRO wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-

windows ME was probably the worst version of windows created.

It was known as "Windows Must Erase". :D

windows 95 also had an issue where if you overwrote a file with the same name, it became 0 bytes.
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On 10-06-19 14:39, MRO wrote to Vk3jed <=-

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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Vk3jed to MRO on Sun Oct 06 2019 04:47 pm

On 10-05-19 19:49, MRO wrote to Zombie Mambo <=-

windows ME was probably the worst version of windows created.

It was known as "Windows Must Erase". :D

windows 95 also had an issue where if you overwrote a file with the
same name, it became 0 bytes.

I don't remember that one, but I remember Windows 95 had all sorts of issues, especially with Plug and Play (Plug and Pray as we called it ;) ).


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On 10-06-19 11:20, Moondog wrote to MRO <=-

Millenium Edition sucked hard. It was essentially a service pack for Win98 that had too much crap in it, and they pawned it off as an OS "upgrade." Whil e Win2k was what I consider a hit in the business
market, I feel it took a hit because consumers mistook it for ME.

Win2k was a huge step up from NT4, and I preferred it to the Windows 95/98/ME line, but things improved dramatically again when XP came along.


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Re: PCs, General
By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Wed Oct 02 2019 03:18 pm

just what you're looking for. Sometimes Android stuff gets burried below a ton of crap.

I'm not really sure what you mean.. Are you saying it shows you things that don't match your search words?

Uugg, you know forget what I said, I'm too old/tire/sore to talk about one app store vs. another. Got my wife a Moto G7 Power over the weekend and got it up and running in under 10 minutes, so whoo hoo, Go Android.

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Re: PCs, General
By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 04 2019 09:43 am

Re: PCs, General
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Thu Oct 03 2019 01:40 pm

Sure you can install programs from outside the store, but unless its fr a website selling a product, my mac using friends/family won't install because they don't "trust" it.

That's kinda funny, because I thought Steve Wozniak and Steve Jobs at Apple

Nightfox

Yeah that is how they came off right?
Garage builders.
You'd think they'd want to harness that experience in their products for others but they didn't. Instead, they went closed-system (and then complained that microsoft was closed system because they.... omg... included a web browser... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!).


Thanks,
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Re: PCs, General
By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 04 2019 10:20 am

Eh? I've done some development on a Mac before, and it didn't seem like too

This is all true. But remember I mentioned casual developer.
I agree with what you said and yes xcode is free but if you're running an older version of MacOS or OSX good luck finding xCode in the store with that's compatible. It was difficult for me.

And if I am going to use visual studio, I'll just keep my pc.

My understanding was you couldn't export your apps to another appled device, unless you bought an apple developer license. If that's not true, then maybe I went a bit too far with my complaint.

I will say there were some cool spin off programming suites out there, non defunct I think, like KBasic.. Which was compatible with all version of Visual Basic, and also had mac-specific functionality... Alowing you to take a
n app written in VB, import, modify, export as .dmg or a linux package, or a ms vb app.

That was great for casual programming.

Also there's another app I think its a QuickBasic variant that is 100% compatible with Qbasic 4.5 but has telephone, and ip stack / net protocol support that is Mac/Win compatible.

I'm not much of a modern programmer so stuff like the two things above appeal to me because i can get something created quickly and deployed, without much of a learning curve if any.


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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Denn to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 04 2019 11:25 pm

Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Zombie Mambo to Vk3jed on Thu Oct 03 2019 01:50 pm

Vista? I thought vista wasone of the worst versions of windows ever created. I absolutely hated it. Maybe once you got it configured the wa you wanted it would behave better, but I didn't like it. I stayed with until 7.

Vista was ok at first but then it get's really bloated and you have to reinstall it.
Windows 8.0 aka metro was the worst for me but then they fixed it with 8.1 upgrade.
I am still using 8.1 on my laptop, and windows 7 on my main PC.

Bingo. I am the same way. My main pc is 10.
My laptop in my kitchen is 8.1 and I've seen no need to upgrade it.
My garage PC is 10... was 7 until recently.
My 1997 Toshiba Touch Tablet is 2000 and my OG Toughbook is XP.



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Re: PCs, General
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Mon Oct 07 2019 11:06 am

You'd think they'd want to harness that experience in their products for others but they didn't. Instead, they went closed-system (and then complained that microsoft was closed system because they.... omg... included a web browser... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!).

I'm not sure the complaint against Microsoft was that they were a closed system.. The complaint against Microsoft was for anti-competitive practices, and I think it was more than Apple complaining about it (actually I'm not sure Apple was much involved in that). I believe Netscape was one of the big companies against Microsoft at the time, because of the browser issue. By bundling Internet Explorer in Windows, a lot of people ended up just using IE because it was included with Windows, and over time, I think Microsoft used that to their adavantage. They made IE behave diffrently than most browsers, so many web sites ended up being designed so they'd work well in IE but not other web browsers, which basically locked people into using IE. When Firefox came around, many people liked it and I think that was when people started to switch away from IE.

Nightfox

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Re: PCs, General
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon Oct 07 2019 08:03 am

Uugg, you know forget what I said, I'm too old/tire/sore to talk about one app store vs. another. Got my wife a Moto G7 Power over the weekend and got it up and running in under 10 minutes, so whoo hoo, Go Android.

Let me know what you think of it - I'm thinking of replacing my Cricket-branded Motorola G6 Surge (aka Play) with the G7 Power.

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Re: PCs, General
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Mon Oct 07 2019 11:06 am

Yeah that is how they came off right?
Garage builders.
You'd think they'd want to harness that experience in their products for oth but they didn't. Instead, they went closed-system (and then complained that microsoft was closed system because they.... omg... included a web browser.. NOOOOOOOOO!!!!).

Thanks,
Zombie Mambo

It was pretty much Jobs who turned things closed system. Wozniak worked his way out of the company disagreeing with Jobs. Woz and his Apple II crew
tried to set themselves apart from Job's forward vision.

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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Nightfox to poindexter FORTRAN on Fri Oct 04 2019 05:15 pm

I had often heard that Vista was a bit bloated and inefficient, which was one of the main things Microsoft addressed with Windows 7. I thought Windows 7 had lower system requirements than Vista and thus would run better.

If you compare a Vista vs. Win7 system today (patched, running normally), Vista is a bit less bloaty. Win7 doesn't feel like much of an upgrade, Vista really did add a ton of security stuff and "bloat" vs. XP, but in the end all the changes really made a difference. (just generalizing here, don't kill me)

I think Win10 really has improved all aspects of the WinOS game to the point where I feel I can install the OS, apply all patches, and feel confident that the average user will be good to go.

I like that the latest installer for Win10 has the latest major update ready to go. Like the current build is 1903, and every 18 months (I think it's 18) they'll make a new installer so anything you build doesn't need much updating.

It's like Linux, but Windows.

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Re: PCs, General
By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Mon Oct 07 2019 10:10 am

Re: PCs, General
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Mon Oct 07 2019 11:06 am

You'd think they'd want to harness that experience in their products fo others but they didn't. Instead, they went closed-system (and then complained that microsoft was closed system because they.... omg... included a web browser... NOOOOOOOOO!!!!).

I'm not sure the complaint against Microsoft was that they were a closed sys in that). I believe Netscape was one of the big companies against Microsoft
I think Microsoft used that to their adavantage. They made IE behave diffr ox came around, many people liked it and I think that was when people starte

Nightfox

MS messed with Java so that it wouldn't work right on other browsers.
Firefox is the open source successor to Netscape's legacy. Mozilla was Netscapes' mascot since it put Mosaic out o fthe picture.

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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon Oct 07 2019 08:11 am

If you compare a Vista vs. Win7 system today (patched, running normally), Vista is a bit less bloaty. Win7 doesn't feel like much of an upgrade, Vista really did add a ton of security stuff and "bloat" vs. XP, but in the end all the changes really made a difference. (just generalizing here, don't kill me)

hmm.. I thought the official word from Microsoft was that they wanted to make Windows 7 more efficient compared to Vista.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: PCs, General
By: Android8675 to Nightfox on Mon Oct 07 2019 08:11 am

I like that the latest installer for Win10 has the latest major update ready

It's like Linux, but Windows.

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Re: PCs, General
By: Minex to Android8675 on Tue Oct 01 2019 11:23 am

Just curious as to what your alternative is to Apple? Windows? Linux? I'm a huge Apple fan, but I'll admit that they seem to be going downhill lately. As for the planned obsolessence, isn't that just about every new technology lately, whether its an iPhone, Andriod phone, Dell laptop, Apple laptop, etc?

Though whats funny is that I am still using my 2006 Black Macbook. :D I upgraded the original hard drive with an SSD, and the memory to 6GB and it actually runs surprisingly well! I am using it as a server to run MajorBBS.

I prefer Windows, though I have a Debian VM that I experiment with. If I ever get moved I'm planning to run a Linux server of some kind for home automation and what have you.

Yes, every tech these days seems to be designed to fail, and heaven forbid your friends see you with old tech (5+ years). Have you seen these refrigerators? Software so advanced they cause the fridge to crash and spoil all your yogurt. (I'm kidding, I have no idea if this is a thing, but every home I've looked to buy this past year, usually has a Samsung fridge that looks like you need a engineering degree to operate. Shudder).

I admit I enjoy the look/feel of a lot of Macs, and I have a bunch of Mac Pros from like G5s to a couple first and second gen Intels, but most of them are not running. Honestly I wish I could sell the aluminum for scrap.

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Re: PCs, General
By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Mon Oct 07 2019 10:10 am

You're right it was really about IE and netscape was the big complainer but Apple complained about MS and their practices too. Maybe they just rode the negative press to their advantage.

But it sure seems like apple is guilty of many of the same practices they complained about.

Sure feels like you have less freedoms with apple products than you do with any others out there.


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Re: PCs, General
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 03:50 pm

You're right it was really about IE and netscape was the big complainer but Apple complained about MS and their practices too. Maybe they just rode the negative press to their advantage.

But it sure seems like apple is guilty of many of the same practices they complained about.

Sure feels like you have less freedoms with apple products than you do with any others out there.

Yeah, Apple may be doing some of the same types of things. Apple might not be trying to control the browser market or anything, but it seems Apple has been getting more restrictive on the software they allow to be installed on their computers.

I know Apple wants to protect their image of having a good ecosystem of quality software, but I don't think they can take all the responsibility of filtering out bad software. And I don't think the team at Apple would necessarily know what everyone would need with various software packages, so they might not be fully competent in approving software that might fill a particular niche or business need, etc. Or what if a company wants to develop a game for one of their platforms and Apple decides they don't want that game on their platforms? Will it be okay for Apple to unilaterally block a particular program from their app store? Having too much red tape and process for approving software could end up reducing the amount of software available for their devices. One of the selling points of a computing device should be a large amount of software available from a variety of developers. Ideally it would all be quality software, but I'd be concerned that Apple's approval processes could end up restricting software availability.

Nightfox

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Re: PCs, General
By: Nightfox to Zombie Mambo on Fri Oct 11 2019 04:25 pm

Re: PCs, General
By: Zombie Mambo to Nightfox on Fri Oct 11 2019 03:50 pm

You're right it was really about IE and netscape was the big complainer but Apple complained about MS and their practices too. Maybe they just rode the negative press to their advantage.

But it sure seems like apple is guilty of many of the same practices th complained about.

Sure feels like you have less freedoms with apple products than you do with any others out there.

Yeah, Apple may be doing some of the same types of things. Apple might not

I know Apple wants to protect their image of having a good ecosystem of qual
need with various software packages, so they might not be fully competent i t want that game on their platforms? Will it be okay for Apple to unilateral evices. One of the selling points of a computing device should be a large a software availability.

Nightfox

Lets not forget Big Tech's political preferences as well. I could see apple not allowing apps from certain development groups or concerning certain social ideas that Apple deems innapropriate, misguided, or wrong... I don't want that.


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Re: PCs, General
By: Nightfox to Android8675 on Wed Sep 25 2019 09:50 am

It depends on what device you're talking about. Apple's iPhone and iPad might have a finite lifespan if Apple decides to only go back so far with support with a new version of iOS. But I've herd Mac users often say their Mac computers last a long time, and that Apple tends to support them back fairly far, and that they keep chugging along. And even after Mac OS X stops supporting a certain model of Mac, you could probably install Linux or something on it, or even Windows these days (as long as they keep using Intel processors.. I've heard rumors that Apple might switch their Mac computers over to ARM processors starting next year).

NIghtfox

I've only experienced Apple with the iPhone 4s years ago. It was so locked down compared to Android and Windows Mobile then I went back to Android and haven't looked back. I've fiddled around with friends' Apple devices here and there and it hasn't changed in all these years. (don't use them, but repair them for everyone haha) It's like if all companies had Apple's mentality we wouldn't be having this conversation on DOVE-net right now because it would have long since been abandoned. Long live the PC! My current daily driver is the Google Pixel 3a XL, it's a nice mid grade phone. Anywho.. getting off topic here..
My kid is a millenial falcon teenager who is wrapped up in the Apple ecosystem and won't stay off my PC for games and homework. So here I am typing away on an old Dell Latitude D530 with WinXP SP3 (i love it) ... Two days ago I ordered her a refurbished iMac from BackMarket.com and plan on giving it to her for Christmas. It's for her, but it's really for my freedom back lol. It was $270 in all for an iMac (Mid-2011) i5 blah blah I know nothing about them. I went kind of in the middle, because my own desktop is a 2011 model and it works great. Don't know what I've gotten myself into, becuase I now have to learn the Mac system. Looks like Linux, but im sure im in for a shock. Hopefully it'll be minimal and I can get back to my office desktop. Let's hope. Woot woot!

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Re: PCs, General
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Sep 29 2019 04:40 pm

my uncle who is an electrician and mechanic calls it the weakest link theory. once you fix one thing and make it 100%, it stresses the other components until the next thing fails, and so on.

I like that way of thinking Nightfox. Makes since!

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Re: PCs, General
By: Sir Air Walker to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 08:49 am

Re: PCs, General
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sun Sep 29 2019 04:40 pm

my uncle who is an electrician and mechanic calls it the weakest link theory. once you fix one thing and make it 100%, it stresses the other components until the next thing fails, and so on.

I like that way of thinking Nightfox. Makes since!

i'm the guy that said it
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Re: PCs, General
By: MRO to Sir Air Walker on Sun Nov 03 2019 12:11 pm

I like that way of thinking Nightfox. Makes since!

i'm the guy that said it

Me bad MRO!


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Re: PCs, General
By: Sir Air Walker to MRO on Sun Nov 03 2019 08:49 am

my uncle who is an electrician and mechanic calls it the weakest link
theory. once you fix one thing and make it 100%, it stresses the other
components until the next thing fails, and so on.

I like that way of thinking Nightfox. Makes since!

It was MRO who wrote that (who you also replied to)..

Nightfox

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