Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Ogg to All on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:51 pm

One thing I dislike about the new system of cellphones is that people who would otherwise be a local call due to their actual place of residence now show up as a long-distance call on my bill.

whats long distance?
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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Aug 09 2020 08:36 pm

To activate you WhatsApp account, a telephone number is required. It's one account per SIM... which is why it's so popualar, I believe. As soon as you add someone to your phone book, they're automatically added on WhatsApp.

Yeah, I have some contacts on WhatsApp which is why I use it sometimes, but it's not something I use regularly.

In the UK WhatsApp is so big I have never really heard of people using SMS. I have personally used around 5-10 SMS messages in 2020, and these messages are to older folk who don't have smartphones.

I've heard it's different in other countries, but in the US, most people use SMS to text each other on their phones, so normally we would not have a reason to use WhatsApp unless we know someone who uses WhatsApp for some reason.

What's the reason for people not using SMS in the UK? That seems a little strange to me, because SMS is a feature included with all cell phones, and WhatsApp is a 3rd-party app you have to install on your phone before you can use it.

WhatsApp is great when it comes to sending pictures, documents or videos... it's such a streamlined and easy to use service once it has access to your phone.

You can do that with SMS messages too.. What advantage does WhatsApp offer in that regard?

I have been involved in larger group chats with
people from work and any files dropped are accessible to those within the chat. One to one voice/video chat along with conference calls are possible too.

You can do group chats with SMS too, and send a file out to everyone.

I do miss MSN Messenger on Windows though. I have a lot of fond memories using that IM around 2004-2012. I recall FaceBook being responsible for partially killing it around 2009/2010. I hated that integrated web-script chat box and much perferred the MSN client.

There are contacts I had on MSN Messneger and other chat clients that I don't have on my contacts anymore. One chat program I really miss is ICQ though. ICQ had a little profile you could fill out for yourself, and ICQ would let you search for a random chat partner from anywhere in th eworld. I used that in the late 90s to early 2000s to chat with people. I think ICQ has removed those features though.

Nightfox

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** On Sunday 09.08.20 - 22:07, mro wrote to Ogg:

One thing I dislike about the new system of cellphones is that people who Og>> would otherwise be a local call due to their actual place of residence Og>> now show up as a long-distance call on my bill.

whats long distance?

Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
Local calls are free.

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On 08-09-20 23:11, Ogg wrote to MRO <=-

Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
Local calls are free.

My plan includes all national calls (for me that's within Australia), so I can call any standard landline or mobile in the country and not pay any extra. The plan itself costs $20/month. So for me, "long distance" is irrelevant, unless it's international.


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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Aug 09 2020 08:36 pm

To activate you WhatsApp account, a telephone number is required. It's one account per SIM... which is why it's so popualar,
believe. As soon as you add someone to your phone book, they're automatically added on WhatsApp.

The real strangth of that, from the comercial point of view, is that it removes the necessity of managing user credentials.
Your average dumb user only needs to know his phone number to operate the messaging device. No more user/password combinations
required, which nowadays a lot of people is unable to manage.

This has the bonus of letting the IM service provider know your phone number and the phone number of your contacts, which is
juicy minable data.


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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Arelor on Sun Aug 09 2020 08:44 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Arelor to Nightfox on Sun Aug 09 2020 05:22 am

Yes. In Spain, everybody uses Whatsapp or Telegram. Signal Messenger has gained some traction during the COVID-19 lockdow
because of claims Whatsapp was limiting the sharing of links and messages because the amount of anti-government dissenti
had skyrocketed.

The same happened here in the UK due to people spreading "misinformation"... I have seen a more concerted effort from the
silicon valley giants to control information, which is why companies such as Google are being investigated in relation to th
upcoming US election.

I am all for fending misinformation off, but when the "fact checking agencies" are directed by politician's friends and
non-conspiranoic topics are shadow-censored because they talk trash about the prime minister, I start to worry XD

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sun Aug 09 2020 07:31 pm

In the UK WhatsApp is so big I have never really heard of people using SMS. I have personally used around 5-10 SMS
messages in 2020, and these messages are to older folk who don't have smartphones.

I've heard it's different in other countries, but in the US, most people use SMS to text each other on their phones, so
normally we would not have a reason to use WhatsApp unless we know someone who uses WhatsApp for some reason.

What's the reason for people not using SMS in the UK? That seems a little strange to me, because SMS is a feature included
with all cell phones, and WhatsApp is a 3rd-party app you have to install on your phone before you can use it.

Most european phone plans charge you for each SMS you send, so you can save money by using an Internet IM service instead.


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On 10/08/2020 2:51 a.m., Vk3jed wrote:

Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
Local calls are free.

My plan includes all national calls (for me that's within Australia), so I can
call any standard landline or mobile in the country and not pay any extra. The
plan itself costs $20/month. So for me, "long distance" is irrelevant, unless
it's international.

$20/mo seems to be the average for most LD plans. But my use does not justify even that much.

I use the pay-as-you go option with www.yak.ca At 3.5› /min I rarely go over even $3/mo from the shop, and rarely over $5/mo from home.

How does it compare with your AUS version?

BUT.. I pay over $80/mo for the basic POTS line service at my shop and (waste) over $35/mo for each POTS line at home. :(

I should probably retire the landlines at home (or at least downgrade them to dry-loops), but when I *do* use them, I like the better voice quality, no lag compared to digital/VoIP, and 24/7 uptime even during a power-outtage.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sun Aug 09 2020 07:31 pm

I've heard it's different in other countries, but in the US, most people use SMS to text each other on their phones, so normally we would not have a reason to use WhatsApp unless we know someone who uses WhatsApp for some reason.

What's the reason for people not using SMS in the UK? That seems a little strange to me, because SMS is a feature included with all cell phones, and WhatsApp is a 3rd-party app you have to install on your phone before you can use it.

You can do that with SMS messages too.. What advantage does WhatsApp offer in that regard?

You can do group chats with SMS too, and send a file out to everyone.

There are contacts I had on MSN Messneger and other chat clients that I don't have on my contacts anymore. One chat program I really miss is ICQ though. ICQ had a little profile you could fill out for yourself, and ICQ would let you search for a random chat partner from anywhere in th eworld.
I used that in the late 90s to early 2000s to chat with people. I think ICQ has removed those features though.

In the UK most people tend to sport large data packages as part of their contracts. I have access to infinite data and around 500 SMS messages per month... the internet appears to be a lot quicker to me than SMS. Also, SMS has never really been treated as an IM. No one I know has had long conversations over a short period of time over SMS, hence the necessity for MSN Messenger and FaceBook Chat in the pre-smartphone era.

I didn't know that it was possible to SMS as part of a group... does that mean you're sending a single message several times to different people? That would eat up your SMS allocation quickly.

In relation to pictures/files, are you referring to MMS? That's really quite slow and again, it consumes your SMS monthly allocation quickly. I've never tried sending a video over MMS - sounds like a god damn nightmare, tbh.

ICQ was my first IM client. I liked it a lot however only really used it to speak to my cousin who lived around 400 miles away from me. mIRC was my main chat client for around three years... it was absolutely required if you were involved in the online gaming scene backin the late 90s, early 00s.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Arelor to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 07:42 am

The real strangth of that, from the comercial point of view, is that it removes the necessity of managing user credentials.
Your average dumb user only needs to know his phone number to operate the messaging device. No more user/password combinations
required, which nowadays a lot of people is unable to manage.

This has the bonus of letting the IM service provider know your phone number and the phone number of your contacts, which is
juicy minable data.

It's very useful when switching over to a new phone as well. Pop in your SIM, download the app and you're all set.

I think most phone IMs operate in the same fashion. WhatsApp is massive in the UK but I think it's different elsewhere - in Asia WeChat and Viber seem to be the go to IMs.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Mon Aug 10 2020 06:18 pm

contracts. I have access to infinite data and around 500 SMS messages per month... the internet appears to be a lot quicker to me than SMS. Also,

If you have a limited number of SMS messages per month, then that would make a difference.

I didn't know that it was possible to SMS as part of a group... does that mean you're sending a single message several times to different people? That would eat up your SMS allocation quickly.

You don't have to send the message multiple times. You can choose multiple recipients and create a group chat.

In relation to pictures/files, are you referring to MMS? That's really quite slow and again, it consumes your SMS monthly allocation quickly. I've never tried sending a video over MMS - sounds like a god damn nightmare, tbh.

It's probably MMS. I think there are benefits to something like WhatsApp for sure, like the ability to work over the internet with a wifi connection rather than only on cellular data.

ICQ was my first IM client. I liked it a lot however only really used it to speak to my cousin who lived around 400 miles away from me. mIRC was my main chat client for around three years... it was absolutely required if you were involved in the online gaming scene backin the late 90s, early 00s.

I had a couple family members & friends on my ICQ list, but I often used ICQ's feature of connecting you to random people to chat with. IRC is a bit of a different thing in that IRC seemed to mainly be used for chat rooms with multiple people.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Arelor on Mon Aug 10 2020 06:53 pm

I think most phone IMs operate in the same fashion. WhatsApp is massive in the UK but I think it's different elsewhere - in Asia WeChat and Viber seem to be the go to IMs.

I have some friends in Brazil who use WhatsApp. One created a few group chats for people who want to learn English, Portuguese, and Italian. That's basically the only thing I'm using WhatsApp for right now.. Nobody else I know uses WhatsApp.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Ogg to MRO on Sun Aug 09 2020 11:11 pm

whats long distance?

Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
Local calls are free.

yeah i'm just joking. in my area we havent had long distance charges
in many many years.
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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Ogg on Mon Aug 10 2020 09:10 pm

yeah i'm just joking. in my area we havent had long distance charges
in many many years.

I haven't had a land line in a long time, so I don't know how it works with land lines now. But first got a cell phone in 2001, and since then, nationwide calling has been free, with only international phone numbers having long-distance charges.
Right now I'm using an inexpensive prepaid service, and it doesn't have international calling. I'd have to buy a prepaid international phone card or something if I wanted to dial an international phone number (which I've rarely had to do).

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Hello MRO!

** On Monday 10.08.20 - 22:10, mro wrote to Ogg:

whats long distance?

Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
Local calls are free.

yeah i'm just joking. in my area we havent had long distance charges
in many many years.

Where exactly is your area?

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Ogg to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 11:15 pm

Hello MRO!

** On Monday 10.08.20 - 22:10, mro wrote to Ogg:

whats long distance?

Long distance calls incur charges per minute.
Local calls are free.

yeah i'm just joking. in my area we havent had long distance
charges in many many years.

Where exactly is your area?

i'm in midwest usa
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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 01:59 pm

I had a couple family members & friends on my ICQ list, but I often used ICQ's feature of connecting you to random people to chat with. IRC is a bit of a different thing in that IRC seemed to mainly be used for chat rooms with multiple people.

I was aware you could connect with random people over ICQ which was a pretty cool feature... don't believe I ever tried it though. I'll always have a soft spot for ICQ as my first IM but it did look rough around the edges in presentation. The definitive IM for me was MSN Messenger in 2007. That update made the GUI so slick... wish it were still around today.

The only form of IM I use anymore on my PC is Steam's built in chat with some of my friends before we load up a game.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 02:05 pm

I have some friends in Brazil who use WhatsApp. One created a few group chats for people who want to learn English, Portuguese, and Italian. That's basically the only thing I'm using WhatsApp for right now.. Nobody else I know uses WhatsApp.

Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.

I suppose it's better if each country sticks to one popular IM so that there's no requirement to download more than one third party app. I use WhatsApp as my only internet based chat service, and I SMS the odd person who doesn't have a smart phone.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 02:05 pm

I have some friends in Brazil who use WhatsApp. One created a few group chats for people who want to learn English, Portuguese, and Italian. That's basically the only thing I'm using WhatsApp for right now.. Nobody else I know uses WhatsApp.

Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the
States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in
the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in
mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular
in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.

WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.



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On 08-10-20 11:31, Ogg wrote to Vk3jed <=-

$20/mo seems to be the average for most LD plans. But my use does not justify even that much.

I use the pay-as-you go option with www.yak.ca At 3.5­ /min I rarely
go over even $3/mo from the shop, and rarely over $5/mo from home.

The $1/month pay as you go plan is a bit more for calls, and 25c/SMS, but the killer with the pay as you go is data. You only get a small amount per month (I think 50MB), and anything more is 10c/MB, whereas I currently get 4GB included, which I normally don't use.

How does it compare with your AUS version?

Depends on included data, which is the big killer, and I don't have to be tightarse on text, because they're included as well on my plan.

BUT.. I pay over $80/mo for the basic POTS line service at my shop and (waste) over $35/mo for each POTS line at home. :(

I should probably retire the landlines at home (or at least downgrade
them to dry-loops), but when I *do* use them, I like the better voice quality, no lag compared to digital/VoIP, and 24/7 uptime even during a power-outtage.

No choice here, it's all VoIP.


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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 04:24 pm

Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.

I don't really know anyone in the US who uses WhatsApp. And I'm not sure what you mean by "massive SMS contracts"? Cell phone plans in the US usually have unlimited SMS messages; I've only occasionally heard of some plans that have limited SMS messages or where SMS messages cost extra money to send/receive.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.

Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract which has given me more than 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages - and we really needed them back then as there was no other method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).

Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Gamgee on Wed Aug 12 2020 06:04 pm

Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract which has given me more than 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages - and we really needed them back then as there was no other method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).

That seems interesting to me.. For a long time, there was no WhatsApp, so I think cell phone carriers in the US just decided to provide unlimited SMS messages.

Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

Data caps are common. I think my data usage cap for my smartphone is actually somewhere around 5GB per month, which is much lower than the 20GB you mention. But I rarely use data on my phone when I'm out, so I've never noticed myself hitting that limit. When I use things on my smartphone that require data, often it's when I'm at home or somewhere else that has wifi. And naturally, when I'm out of the house, I'm usually busy driving or doing something anyway, so I have less chance to use my phone.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.

I live in the US and haven't really noticed anyone I know using WhatsApp. I suppose it's possible though.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Tue Aug 11 2020 04:24 pm

Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.

I suppose it's better if each country sticks to one popular IM so that there's no requirement to download more than one third party app. I use WhatsApp as my only internet based chat service, and I SMS the odd person who doesn't have a smart phone.

i'm in the usa and i cant really get into whatsapp.

i use pretty much everything and so do my friends. i use google voice to keep in touch with my friends [and facebook]
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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.

Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a
mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract
which has given me more than 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages
- and we really needed them back then as there was no other
method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).

Unlimited SMS has been around as long as I can remember, certainly
I think it is the "norm" now among all major carriers.

Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of
internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

As far as I know, the norm for data now is "unlimited". There may
be caveats to that with some carriers, such as after a certain
amount of bandwidth is used (generally a LOT), they start to
"throttle" your speed some. I don't think it's usually an issue
for 99% of folks.



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On 8/12/2020 10:04 AM, Andeddu wrote:

Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data
here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

My current plan is "unlimited" but subject to throttling after the first
20G. I have hit my unthrottled cap before. I don't even have a
personal laptop currently, but when I did it was because I was connected
via my cell, and windows, and several apps immediately started
updated... what really sucked it was the start of my new month of
service, so I was throttled all that month. That was on a 5gb plan at
the time.

Closest I've come lately is around 17GB and that was on a 10 day road trip.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 09:22 pm

Unlimited SMS has been around as long as I can remember, certainly
I think it is the "norm" now among all major carriers.

Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

As far as I know, the norm for data now is "unlimited". There may
be caveats to that with some carriers, such as after a certain
amount of bandwidth is used (generally a LOT), they start to
"throttle" your speed some. I don't think it's usually an issue
for 99% of folks.

Meanwhile, here in Spain, I have no free SMS included in my plan, 5 GB of data in my plan, and I have to listen others complain
about their plans.

My plan is one of the cheapo ones, but unless you do a lot of marketing work on your phone you don't get a plan with lots of
SMS, unlimited calls and 20 GB of data transfer.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 12:54 am

On 8/12/2020 10:04 AM, Andeddu wrote:

Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data
here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

My current plan is "unlimited" but subject to throttling after the first 20G. I have hit my unthrottled cap before. I don't even have a
personal laptop currently, but when I did it was because I was connected
via my cell, and windows, and several apps immediately started
updated... what really sucked it was the start of my new month of
service, so I was throttled all that month. That was on a 5gb plan at
the time.

Closest I've come lately is around 17GB and that was on a 10 day road trip.

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tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS

I have been using my phone plan to get a store connected to the Internet in an emergency. So far it has worked well for half the month and the 5GB are not even near to depleted. But then, the store uses Linux and BSD so you don't get surprise updates or programs that call home.


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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 08:47 am

I don't really know anyone in the US who uses WhatsApp. And I'm not sure what you mean by "massive SMS contracts"? Cell phone plans in the US usually have unlimited SMS messages; I've only occasionally heard of some plans that have limited SMS messages or where SMS messages cost extra money to send/receive.

Ah, so that's why SMS is viable in the US... most contracts provide unlimited messages. The only time I tend to recieve SMS messages here is from delivery services such as JustEat, FedEx, DPD, Hermes, ParcelForce, RoyalMail and Yodel, other than one other person who strangely uses SMS, no one else in my life seems to. I think we are pretty dependent on the internet over here.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 07:16 pm

That seems interesting to me.. For a long time, there was no WhatsApp, so I think cell phone carriers in the US just decided to provide unlimited SMS messages.

Data caps are common. I think my data usage cap for my smartphone is actually somewhere around 5GB per month, which is much lower than the 20GB you mention. But I rarely use data on my phone when I'm out, so I've never noticed myself hitting that limit. When I use things on my smartphone that require data, often it's when I'm at home or somewhere else that has wifi. And naturally, when I'm out of the house, I'm usually busy driving or doing something anyway, so I have less chance to use my phone.

SMS messages were never really used as a method of conversation over here... due to the low-monthy cap, they were used to send quick messeges like instructions -- definitely not full blown conversations like we do now on WhatsApp. I think that's why IMs on the PC were so important, we were always chatting to people via the home computer. Now all text based conversations are carried out via the smartphone.

I have an unlimited data plan which I make use of... I think I average around 27GB per month. I don't tend to connect my phone to the router at home because 4G is so quick and reliable.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 09:26 pm

i'm in the usa and i cant really get into whatsapp.

i use pretty much everything and so do my friends. i use google voice to keep in touch with my friends [and facebook]

It would be difficult to get into an IM unless everyone else uses it. Where I live, WhatsApp is the default method by which to speak to someone in text over the phone. If it wasn't popular and only a few of my contacts used it, I wouldn't bother downloading it. Last thing I need is a bunch of different IMs loaded on my phone with clients constantly asking to be updated.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Wed Aug 12 2020 09:22 pm

As far as I know, the norm for data now is "unlimited". There may
be caveats to that with some carriers, such as after a certain
amount of bandwidth is used (generally a LOT), they start to
"throttle" your speed some. I don't think it's usually an issue
for 99% of folks.

Same as the carriers here, they stipulate that your bandwidth may be throttled should you exceed a certain data threshold. I confirmed with my carrier that they would not throttle my internet usage.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 12:54 am

My current plan is "unlimited" but subject to throttling after the first 20G. I have hit my unthrottled cap before. I don't even have a
personal laptop currently, but when I did it was because I was connected
via my cell, and windows, and several apps immediately started
updated... what really sucked it was the start of my new month of
service, so I was throttled all that month. That was on a 5gb plan at
the time.

Closest I've come lately is around 17GB and that was on a 10 day road trip.

20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.

How things change!

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.

I live in the US and haven't really noticed anyone I know using
WhatsApp. I sup pose it's possible though.

One important thing to remember is that WhatsApp is used universally in OTHER countries, which in turn drives many Americans using it to talk and
communicate with their familes and friends FROM those countries. So yes, not
a lot of 'americans' use whatsapp as their form of text/communication, but there are many with firneds and familes in other countries that do use it -
in order to communicate with them.

I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens what they
can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If we're free, we're free to choose what risks we want to take or not. If I can't even get people around me to mitigate and wear masks, how the hell can you tell me not to watch videos on TikTok!!



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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 2020 06:26 pm

SMS messages were never really used as a method of conversation over here... due to the low-monthy cap, they were used to send quick messeges like instructions -- definitely not full blown conversations like we do now on WhatsApp. I think that's why IMs on the PC were so important, we were always chatting to people via the home computer. Now all text based conversations are carried out via the smartphone.

For me, IM programs on computers were always easier because I can type a lot faster on a real keyboard. That was especially true before smartphones, where you had to press the keys on a phone keyboard a few times to get the letter you want, for each letter. Back then I rarely used SMS messages because it just took so long to type them on a cell phone. But with smartphones, it has become easier.

I have an unlimited data plan which I make use of... I think I average around 27GB per month. I don't tend to connect my phone to the router at home because 4G is so quick and reliable.

I think I have a fairly quick cell data connection, but I still like to connect it to my home wifi. If I want to stream any video or perhaps music from my home media server, I think it just works better if my phone is also on my home network. Also I think my internet speed is still better than my cell data speed, which works better for video chats, etc..

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Tracker1 on Thu Aug 13 2020 07:00 pm

20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.

There are times when I like to just relax and browse things online with my phone. I think it works well for that, but there are times when I want to type something, and I really like using the real keyboard on my desktop PC (or a laptop) because I type so much faster on one. As they say sometimes, mobile devices are good for consumption, but desktop PCs and laptops are still good for content creation. Though these days, you could potentially use a bluetooth keyboard & mouse with a mobile device. I've even seen adapters for a smartphone that will give you a standard USB port on a phone. My last phone (a Samsung Galaxy S7) came with one such adapter, and one time I tried using it to plug in a standard USB mouse on my phone, and I got a mouse pointer on it..

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: paulie420 to Nightfox on Thu Aug 13 2020 04:46 pm

I live in the US and haven't really noticed anyone I know using
WhatsApp. I sup pose it's possible though.

One important thing to remember is that WhatsApp is used universally in OTHER countries, which in turn drives many Americans using it to talk and communicate with their familes and friends FROM those countries. So yes, not a lot of 'americans' use whatsapp as their form of text/communication, but there are many with firneds and familes in other countries that do use it - in order to communicate with them.

Yep, I have some friends in other countries who use WhatsApp, and I've talked to them on WhatsApp.

I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens what they can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If we're free, we're free to choose what risks we want to take or not. If I can't even get people around me to mitigate and wear masks, how the hell can you tell me not to watch videos on TikTok!!

I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being banned..
I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information back to China.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Gamgee on Wed Aug 12 2020 06:04 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm

WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.

Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract which has given me more th 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages - and we really needed them back then as there was other method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).

Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet da here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.

My brother has an "unlimited" plan, which is actually 22GB at main speed then throttles down rather than cut you off. One of the down sides to this plan
is it's "phone data" only, implying he can't use it for an access point for other devices. I've read of similar plans that allow unlimited streaming of music and videos without penalizing your data quota, however they restrict
your viewing quality to 480p.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 05:10 pm

For me, IM programs on computers were always easier because I can type a lot faster on a real keyboard. That was especially true before smartphones, where you had to press the keys on a phone keyboard a few times to get the letter you want, for each letter. Back then I rarely used SMS messages because it just took so long to type them on a cell phone. But with smartphones, it has become easier.

I think pre-smartphone everyone struggled with messaging which is why we ended up with text speak. After around 2008, things got a lot easier... I began using IMs such as WhatsApp with a BlackBerry Curve which had a small qwerty keyboard which was reactive and comfortable to use. I then used a Nokia Windows phone I didn't take to at all before switching to Apple. Virtual keyboards are fine now, not as good as a full sized keyobard but I rarely make mistakes when typing on them.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Thu Aug 13 2020 05:19 pm

There are times when I like to just relax and browse things online with my phone. I think it works well for that, but there are times when I want to type something, and I really like using the real keyboard on my desktop PC (or a laptop) because I type so much faster on one. As they say sometimes, mobile devices are good for consumption, but desktop PCs and laptops are still good for content creation. Though these days, you could potentially use a bluetooth keyboard & mouse with a mobile device. I've even seen adapters for a smartphone that will give you a standard USB port on a phone. My last phone (a Samsung Galaxy S7) came with one such adapter, and one time I tried using it to plug in a standard USB mouse on my phone, and I got a mouse pointer on it..

I agree... phones are great for consumption. I probably watch more videos & shows on my phone than I do on my TV, web-browsing is a joy and then you've got communication programs such as WhatsApp and Skype which I use often. I definitely wouldn't consider a phone to be a go to productivity device unless there was no other alternative. It is pretty cool that Android phones can plug into other input peripherals, not sure if Apple do the same.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to paulie420 on Thu Aug 13 2020 05:20 pm

I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being banned..
I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information back to China.

TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

I think pre-smartphone everyone struggled with messaging which is why we ended up with text speak. After around 2008, things got a lot easier... I

What is "text speak"?

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:12 am

I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was
in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information
back to China.

TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

Nightfox

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

I think pre-smartphone everyone struggled with messaging which is why we ended up with text speak. After around 2008, things got a lot easier... I

What is "text speak"?

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:44 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

What is "text speak"?

it is gr8 2 spk 2 u 2nyt. ty 4 ur rply.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

Haha, coming across all these massively popular social media apps which you've never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.

There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:12 am

I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was
in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information
back to China.

TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
platforms among young adults/kids.

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

you've never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.

i miss vine. it was very entertaining.
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** On Saturday 15.08.20 - 19:03, mro wrote to Nightfox:

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

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Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:03 pm

TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
platforms among young adults/kids.

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Ogg to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:11 pm

Hello MRO!

** On Saturday 15.08.20 - 19:03, mro wrote to Nightfox:

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

THEN GET OFF MY INTERNET.

vine was just funny short videos.
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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Ogg to All on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:11 pm

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.

It's just something I hadn't come across, I guess. It does sound vaguely familiar though. I browse the sites I like, and I don't always pay attention to what other people are using.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Underminer to MRO on Sat Aug 15 2020 09:15 pm

TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
platforms among young adults/kids.

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE

Maybe it's his Man-Cave?

I wouldn't mind having a proper man cave. Maybe in my next house. Ideally I wouldn't mind having a basement type room where I could set up a man cave, but that probably won't happen. There aren't many houses in my area with basements anyway. :P

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 2020 11:54 pm

vine was just funny short videos.

I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize there was a site called Vine. I've seen collections of "vines" as short funny videos on YouTube.

Nightfox

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:13 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:44 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am

What is "text speak"?

it is gr8 2 spk 2 u 2nyt. ty 4 ur rply.

Almost as annoying as sentences formed with emojis

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 05:17 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm

TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.

Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P

Haha, coming across all these massively popular social media apps which you' never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.

I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particular big in the USA.

Not big enough because i never heard of it either

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to MRO on Sat Aug 15 2020 10:26 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 2020 11:54 pm

vine was just funny short videos.

I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize there was a site called Vine. I've seen collections of "vines" as short funny videos on YouTube.

it was an app
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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 12:06 am

I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was
particular
big in the USA.

Not big enough because i never heard of it either

it was huge.
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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 03:17 pm

There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:54 pm

i miss vine. it was very entertaining.

TikTok is very similar... will you miss that too?

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Moondog to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 12:06 am

Not big enough because i never heard of it either

Or perhaps, like us, you're just positively middle-aged.

Vine is the app that created over 100 massive YouTube stars.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to MRO on Sun Aug 16 2020 05:59 pm

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:54 pm

i miss vine. it was very entertaining.

TikTok is very similar... will you miss that too?

it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and i'm not an avid user.
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I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens wha they can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If

I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being ba nned..

Yea, along with TikTok hes trying to push a WhatsApp ban too - *IF* its not WhatsApp, its weibo or... one that like EVERYONE in China and India use. Regardless, I don't use either- but... if I wanted to, I thought I lived in America so that I could CHOOSE. Sure, inform me of the risks but.... free?



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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sun Aug 16 2020 05:28 pm

There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P

Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

It's worth it. One of the best series of all-time.

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20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my
PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago
I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.

How things change!

Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN
device for my work laptop. Beyond this, there's a combination of
devices connected to the TVs. I have my Shield TV, fiance and daughter
prefer Fire sticks, and there's also chromecasting. I do watch youtube
on TV, but will use my phone a lot of the time.

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On 8/16/2020 9:28 AM, Andeddu wrote:

There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV >> show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had
never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last
season. :P

Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed
watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.

It's a decent show. You don't have to binge it, you can do it just like
any syndication show, watching an episode a night during the week to
wind down.

If you like "Breaking Bad" should also give "The Shield" a view.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:38 pm

it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and i'm not an avid user.

I never used Vine or TikTok but I have seen my fair share of videos posted on YouTube. I agree, some can be highly entertaining. There will be a gap in the market for a new app to take over should TikTok be banned in the US.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:06 am

Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN

what the hell is WFH

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to MRO on Mon Aug 17 2020 11:14 am

Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:38 pm

it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and
i'm not an avid user.

I never used Vine or TikTok but I have seen my fair share of videos posted on YouTube. I agree, some can be highly entertaining. There will be a gap

the thing about vine is it was quick, it was entertaining and it was easy.
and you could use 3rd party apps
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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Tracker1 on Mon Aug 17 2020 04:54 pm

Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired
VPN

what the hell is WFH

white fat human?

ROFLMAO... thanks for the laugh of the night!

WFH in this case probably means Working From Home, esepcially with the added context of a wired VPN.

But still, I needed the laugh... thanks!

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what the hell is WFH

Working from home. :)


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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:06 am

Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN device for my work laptop. Beyond this, there's a combination of
devices connected to the TVs. I have my Shield TV, fiance and daughter prefer Fire sticks, and there's also chromecasting. I do watch youtube
on TV, but will use my phone a lot of the time.

Shield TV... as in the nVidia shield? I haven't heard about that thing for a long time. Do you stream your PC onto your TV screen?

My friend sometimes brings his Chromecast along to mine so we can watch football matches on his BT subscription... it's a brillaint versatile device. I don't have anything for my TV as all the apps I need are already on it. If I had to move from house to house, a Chromecast would be nice.

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Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Tracker1 to Andeddu on Mon Aug 17 2020 03:46 am

It's a decent show. You don't have to binge it, you can do it just like
any syndication show, watching an episode a night during the week to
wind down.

If you like "Breaking Bad" should also give "The Shield" a view.

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I'll keep The Shield in mind. The first long running show I have to get through will have to be Game of Thrones. I have never watched it before, so I really must.

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