Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract which has given me more than 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages - and we really needed them back then as there was no other method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).
Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.
WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.
Do Americans use WhatsApp on the whole? Are IMs popular in the States or do you all have massive SMS contracts? Like I said, in the UK WhatsApp is ALL we use. I am not sure if it's the same in mainland Europe... Arelor said there's another IM that's popular in Spain but they also use WhatsApp.
I suppose it's better if each country sticks to one popular IM so that there's no requirement to download more than one third party app. I use WhatsApp as my only internet based chat service, and I SMS the odd person who doesn't have a smart phone.
Re: Re: Linux
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 06:35 pm
Back in the day, people used to request a Windows refund from
Microsoft, it made the news back in the '90s.
Do you know if they were successful in obtaining a refund? I reckon it's a hard one to argue as they'd have purchased the computer with Window's pre-installed... surely that's an admission that they were happy with the transaction at the time?
Andeddu wrote to Gamgee <=-
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm
WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.
Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a
mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract
which has given me more than 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages
- and we really needed them back then as there was no other
method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).
Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of
internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.
Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data
here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.
Unlimited SMS has been around as long as I can remember, certainly
I think it is the "norm" now among all major carriers.
Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.
As far as I know, the norm for data now is "unlimited". There may
be caveats to that with some carriers, such as after a certain
amount of bandwidth is used (generally a LOT), they start to
"throttle" your speed some. I don't think it's usually an issue
for 99% of folks.
On 08-12-20 21:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Fedora is updated in a very similar way to Debian. DNF is Fedora's equivalent of APT. You use DNF to do a system upgrade, by passing a system-upgrade flag and the version you want to upgrade to.
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
On 8/12/2020 10:04 AM, Andeddu wrote:
Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet data
here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.
My current plan is "unlimited" but subject to throttling after the first 20G. I have hit my unthrottled cap before. I don't even have a
personal laptop currently, but when I did it was because I was connected
via my cell, and windows, and several apps immediately started
updated... what really sucked it was the start of my new month of
service, so I was throttled all that month. That was on a 5gb plan at
the time.
Closest I've come lately is around 17GB and that was on a 10 day road trip.
--
Michael J. Ryan
tracker1 +o Roughneck BBS
I don't really know anyone in the US who uses WhatsApp. And I'm not sure what you mean by "massive SMS contracts"? Cell phone plans in the US usually have unlimited SMS messages; I've only occasionally heard of some plans that have limited SMS messages or where SMS messages cost extra money to send/receive.
That seems interesting to me.. For a long time, there was no WhatsApp, so I think cell phone carriers in the US just decided to provide unlimited SMS messages.
Data caps are common. I think my data usage cap for my smartphone is actually somewhere around 5GB per month, which is much lower than the 20GB you mention. But I rarely use data on my phone when I'm out, so I've never noticed myself hitting that limit. When I use things on my smartphone that require data, often it's when I'm at home or somewhere else that has wifi. And naturally, when I'm out of the house, I'm usually busy driving or doing something anyway, so I have less chance to use my phone.
i'm in the usa and i cant really get into whatsapp.
i use pretty much everything and so do my friends. i use google voice to keep in touch with my friends [and facebook]
As far as I know, the norm for data now is "unlimited". There may
be caveats to that with some carriers, such as after a certain
amount of bandwidth is used (generally a LOT), they start to
"throttle" your speed some. I don't think it's usually an issue
for 99% of folks.
My current plan is "unlimited" but subject to throttling after the first 20G. I have hit my unthrottled cap before. I don't even have a
personal laptop currently, but when I did it was because I was connected
via my cell, and windows, and several apps immediately started
updated... what really sucked it was the start of my new month of
service, so I was throttled all that month. That was on a 5gb plan at
the time.
Closest I've come lately is around 17GB and that was on a 10 day road trip.
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm
WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.
I live in the US and haven't really noticed anyone I know using
WhatsApp. I sup pose it's possible though.
SMS messages were never really used as a method of conversation over here... due to the low-monthy cap, they were used to send quick messeges like instructions -- definitely not full blown conversations like we do now on WhatsApp. I think that's why IMs on the PC were so important, we were always chatting to people via the home computer. Now all text based conversations are carried out via the smartphone.
I have an unlimited data plan which I make use of... I think I average around 27GB per month. I don't tend to connect my phone to the router at home because 4G is so quick and reliable.
20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.
I live in the US and haven't really noticed anyone I know using
WhatsApp. I sup pose it's possible though.
One important thing to remember is that WhatsApp is used universally in OTHER countries, which in turn drives many Americans using it to talk and communicate with their familes and friends FROM those countries. So yes, not a lot of 'americans' use whatsapp as their form of text/communication, but there are many with firneds and familes in other countries that do use it - in order to communicate with them.
I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens what they can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If we're free, we're free to choose what risks we want to take or not. If I can't even get people around me to mitigate and wear masks, how the hell can you tell me not to watch videos on TikTok!!
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-12-20 21:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Fedora is updated in a very similar way to Debian. DNF is Fedora's equivalent of APT. You use DNF to do a system upgrade, by passing a system-upgrade flag and the version you want to upgrade to.
Oh, OK, so they've gone away from YUM? Not sure I like the sound of "DNF", in my game it means "Did Not Finish". ;)
Anyway, that makes sense, and that would make Fedora a more interesting proposition.
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Gamgee to Andeddu on Tue Aug 11 2020 08:07 pm
WhatsApp is certainly used in the US; I would guess mostly by
younger people. As far as I know, most (all?) phone contracts
include unlimited SMS. Mine certainly does, and everyone I know -
we all send a lot of texts.
Interesting. That's never been the case in the UK. I've owned a mobile phone for over 17 years and I have never had a contract which has given me more th 500 SMS text messages per month. Pre-smartphone days, most contracts only offered 300 SMS messages - and we really needed them back then as there was other method of mobile text communication (that was mainstream).
Are 20GB+ data contracts the norm in the US? We consume a lot of internet da here in the UK and the plans on offer reflect that.
On 08-14-20 09:49, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, they moved away from Yum years ago. IIRC, DNF is native code, Yum was python, so DNF is a bit faster. DNF was pretty much a drop in replacement for Yum.
I only use Fedora because my first distro was a Red Hat based one (Definite Linux 7.0) , then I moved to Red Hat (I think 6.2? 7.0?). I stuck with what I know, and Fedora has the packages that I'm used to having installed on my system.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-14-20 09:49, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, they moved away from Yum years ago. IIRC, DNF is native code, Yum was python, so DNF is a bit faster. DNF was pretty much a drop in replacement for Yum.
Ahh OK, cool. So won't be an issue to learn, I am still familiar with yum. :)
I only use Fedora because my first distro was a Red Hat based one (Definite Linux 7.0) , then I moved to Red Hat (I think 6.2? 7.0?). I stuck with what I know, and Fedora has the packages that I'm used to having installed on my system.
I started with Ygdrasil(sp?), then Slackware, then moved to Red Hat for
a number of years, but in recent years (last 10 or so), I've drifted across to Debian style distros. :)
A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.
If you ever are wanting Arch again, google ARCHFI and use that script to do the installation... it guides you thru install; you don't have to know the inner workings of linux to get wifi and other essentials going.
However, I suggest that people use Archfi once and then go back and learn the linuxy stuff... its great knowledge to have, if you ever have to dig in on other systems some day.
Sadly,Slackware has been losing ground to OpenBSD in my networks since Patrick has such bad communication issues. The current -stable release of Slackware is getting a bit outdated for some tasks and I find myself upgrading those boxes to OpenBSD -release. Slackware development is very active - changelogs scrolling blazing fast - but we don't get a picture of that the release goals are and what we can expect.
s windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it.
Make a program that a fool could use, and only a fool will want to use it.
For me, IM programs on computers were always easier because I can type a lot faster on a real keyboard. That was especially true before smartphones, where you had to press the keys on a phone keyboard a few times to get the letter you want, for each letter. Back then I rarely used SMS messages because it just took so long to type them on a cell phone. But with smartphones, it has become easier.
There are times when I like to just relax and browse things online with my phone. I think it works well for that, but there are times when I want to type something, and I really like using the real keyboard on my desktop PC (or a laptop) because I type so much faster on one. As they say sometimes, mobile devices are good for consumption, but desktop PCs and laptops are still good for content creation. Though these days, you could potentially use a bluetooth keyboard & mouse with a mobile device. I've even seen adapters for a smartphone that will give you a standard USB port on a phone. My last phone (a Samsung Galaxy S7) came with one such adapter, and one time I tried using it to plug in a standard USB mouse on my phone, and I got a mouse pointer on it..
I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being banned..
I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information back to China.
I think pre-smartphone everyone struggled with messaging which is why we ended up with text speak. After around 2008, things got a lot easier... I
I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was
in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information
back to China.
TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.
Re: Re: Linux
By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 10 2020 07:38 am
Sadly,Slackware has been losing ground to OpenBSD in my networks since Patrick has such bad communication issues. The current -stable release of Slackware is
getting a bit outdated for some tasks and I find myself upgrading those boxes to OpenBSD -release. Slackware development is very active - changelogs scrolling
blazing fast - but we don't get a picture of that the release goals are and what we can expect.
Roadmaps are nice to have, especially with huge open source projects like distros. It sounds like they just don't quite have a "big picture" group as to where they
want to go.
The only machine I run any kind of *BSD on here is my pfSense router. I haven't used it in any production environment in about a decade.
My go-to choice for any kind of production server is CentOS. It's stable, and that's often what I need.
DaiTengu
... I can't promise anything but I can promise 100%.
Heh, just a word of warning. It looks like IBM is doing IBM things and started quietly outsourcing what Red Hat's team used to do to India. So much for their promises of letting Red Hat be the same it always was...
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am
I think pre-smartphone everyone struggled with messaging which is why we ended up with text speak. After around 2008, things got a lot easier... I
What is "text speak"?
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am
What is "text speak"?
TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.
Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:12 am
I hadn't even heard of TikTok until a few months ago, when TikTok was
in the news for potentially being insecure and sending information
back to China.
TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
platforms among young adults/kids.
Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
you've never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.
I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particularly big in the USA.
Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE
TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
platforms among young adults/kids.
Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :PDO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE
Hello MRO!
** On Saturday 15.08.20 - 19:03, mro wrote to Nightfox:
Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE
Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.
Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE
Maybe some people are not interested in visiting social media cess pools.
TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media
platforms among young adults/kids.
Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
DO YOU LIVE IN A CAVE
Maybe it's his Man-Cave?
vine was just funny short videos.
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:44 pm
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Andeddu to Nightfox on Sat Aug 15 2020 12:02 am
What is "text speak"?
it is gr8 2 spk 2 u 2nyt. ty 4 ur rply.
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: Nightfox to Andeddu on Fri Aug 14 2020 09:45 pm
TikTok is the new Vine. It's one of the most popular social media platforms among young adults/kids.
Vine is something I'm not really familiar with either.. :P
Haha, coming across all these massively popular social media apps which you' never heard of before can make you feel positively one-hundred years old.
I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was particular big in the USA.
On 08-14-20 22:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There were some differences with the API, and how it works internally,
but from the POV of a user, its almost exactly the same. You likely
won't have to do anything different except type "dnf" where you used to type "yum".
A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.
Stick with what works for you. I don't feel the need to evangelise any particular distro, but if you do want to remain up to date, Fedora is great in that regard.
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Ogg on Sat Aug 15 2020 11:54 pm
vine was just funny short videos.
I have heard of "vines" as short videos. But I didn't realize there was a site called Vine. I've seen collections of "vines" as short funny videos on YouTube.
I hadn't heard of Vine either until after it died in 2017. It was
particular
big in the USA.
Not big enough because i never heard of it either
Yeah, the primary determinant of what distro I use is the use case. A lot of software is easier to work with under one distro or another. Some particularly tricky to compile (usually because of a myriad of
Much amateur software these days tends to favour Debian based systems, and that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.
There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P
i miss vine. it was very entertaining.
Not big enough because i never heard of it either
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Andeddu on Sat Aug 15 2020 06:54 pm
i miss vine. it was very entertaining.
TikTok is very similar... will you miss that too?
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-14-20 22:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There were some differences with the API, and how it works internally,
but from the POV of a user, its almost exactly the same. You likely
won't have to do anything different except type "dnf" where you used to type "yum".
So it's dead simple to switch to Dnf. :D
A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.
Stick with what works for you. I don't feel the need to evangelise any particular distro, but if you do want to remain up to date, Fedora is great in that regard.
Yeah, the primary determinant of what distro I use is the use case. A
lot of software is easier to work with under one distro or another.
Some particularly tricky to compile (usually because of a myriad of dependencies from multiple non standard sources) may be available precompiled for a particular distro, or dependencies may be easier to satisfy on certsin distros.
Much amateur software these days tends to favour Debian based systems,
and that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There
was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.
I know its unpopular, but with the TikTok/WhatsApp bans that Trump is bringing... I just think that America shouldn't tell its citizens wha they can and can't do. I can't wrapo my head around how thats OK. If
I've heard of the TikTok ban, but haven't heard anything about WhatsApp being ba nned..
Linux is literally my day job. :)
I'm a sysadmin for a large adtech company. I manage about 2000
physical server s and a couple hundred virtual ones.
dealing with Linux all day really has
killed my desire to ti nker with it in my free time. :)
There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last season. :P
Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.
On 08-16-20 13:28, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.
Yeah, if there's a package available there's going to be a .deb. The
AUR is super nice in Arch though. ---
On 08-17-20 08:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.
I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't
.rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software
packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but
no .rpm.
Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight
advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.
20GB should be enough of a threshold for most people. Having a phone with an uncapped unlimited data plan has sure changed the way I use technology. I pretty much just use my phone these days... I very rarely browse the web on my
PC and the only other device I use to go online is my iPad. Around a decade ago
I used my laptop to carry out at least 90% of all my media consumption.
How things change!
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After
selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner. I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell, streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc, occasionally using my own copy of a
binary instead of the distro one (I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
It's been some time since I tried to play with Arch, I keep meaning to go back to it, but honestly, dealing with Linux all day really has killed my desire to tinker with it in my free time. :)
There are some things I guess I don't pay much attention to. There's a TV >> show called Breaking Bad, which was apparently fairly popular, but I had
never heard of it until there was a news story that it was in its last
season. :P
Haha, I think everone's seen Breaking Bad over here except me, I can't be arsed
watching something that's 5+ seasons long. Too much to get through, so I'd rather not bother.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-17-20 08:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.
Cool, of course, I could even do:
ln -s dnf yum
from the directory dnf resides in.
I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't
.rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software
packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but
no .rpm.
I even have software that not only had a .deb, but a complete apt repository, and some that are quite distribution specific - I had to
use Debian 9 to successfully install the AllStarLink RoIP system. The .debs would install on other distros like Ubuntu 18.04, but the source
for Dahdi (the drivers) wouldn't compile on Ubuntu.
Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight
advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and i'm not an avid user.
Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN
Re: Re: BBSes today
By: MRO to Andeddu on Sun Aug 16 2020 07:38 pm
it's similar but not the same entirely. i find it less enjoyable and
i'm not an avid user.
I never used Vine or TikTok but I have seen my fair share of videos posted on YouTube. I agree, some can be highly entertaining. There will be a gap
On 08-17-20 21:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just found that I stil have yum installed!
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?
Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired
VPN
what the hell is WFH
white fat human?
On 08-17-20 16:54, MRO wrote to Tracker1 <-
what the hell is WFH
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-17-20 21:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just found that I stil have yum installed!
Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?
At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.
Yeah... I use a combination of things... I'm WFH, and have a wired VPN device for my work laptop. Beyond this, there's a combination of
devices connected to the TVs. I have my Shield TV, fiance and daughter prefer Fire sticks, and there's also chromecasting. I do watch youtube
on TV, but will use my phone a lot of the time.
It's a decent show. You don't have to binge it, you can do it just like
any syndication show, watching an episode a night during the week to
wind down.
If you like "Breaking Bad" should also give "The Shield" a view.
--
Michael J. Ryan
On 08-18-20 21:15, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?
It's a symlink to dnf!
At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.
Cool. If any questions, let me know.
Dennisk wrote to Atroxi <=-
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner.
I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell,
streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit
me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot
button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc,
occasionally using my own copy of a binary instead of the distro one
(I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
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Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner.
I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell,
streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit
me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot
button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc,
Oh yes. What a thrill doing something like that is. A few months ago I dived head-first into Gentoo and suddenly a whole world of
customization was opened to me. I never imagined how these small tweaks would actually be beneficial on the long run but it did. Sadly, the
amount of time compiling packages really took a toll on me, haha! And I feel like I'm not yet smart enough to deal with stuff or maybe I'm just lazy to give up a weekend to just learn the stuff.
Right now I've pretty much integrated my whole setup around using bspwm and terminal applications. It's surprising to me actually how little
that I need to have to be able to use my computer productively (or not, haha!). Most of the time I'm just writing stuff and that's done through vim and I either compile it to LaTeX or groff. Other than that, most of the stuff that I have are scripts that I wrote to manage the system's functions like using dmenu as a power menu, display menu, mount menu,
etc. I think right now the only thing that I'm missing is the ability
to do spreadsheets, and while libreoffice does that I would like to do spreadsheets in the commandline.
occasionally using my own copy of a binary instead of the distro one
(I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
Oh man. It IS a pain.
I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.
Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm
I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum
which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.
I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.
over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use my cable modem.
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps
Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from
200Mbps to 400Mbps
Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.
digital man
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload. You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!
I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.
Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville]
they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through
people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they
can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's gotten better.
I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got
200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had
to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the
fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round
spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
Re: Re: Steam DRM
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could
run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.
Re: Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
lines.
Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.
I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.
i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.
On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
lines.
i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but
it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid
the fiber
optics.
fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility
companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.
Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??
In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.
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