I use Windows 10 at work, company supplied machine, and I've never seen an update happen. They must happen, because occasionally the software change slightly, but it seems to be in the background.
Like I say, if you just want to play games fine, it will work well enough for that. If you need to do anything resembling real work you either need to do a lot of self learning and setup, or be willing to spend $$ to have someone else do it for you.
Meanwhile, you take a system running a stable distro of Linux and it will run just as stable and happy as a stand alone system, part of a network, or anything else you want to do with it.
Dealing with Windows on an idividual or smb basis makes me want to boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont have problems with it. ---
Nice. One of the joys of running Linux. It just........ works.Most of the time. I remember trying to install Arch once a few years back on a laptop, and that just didn't go well for me.
On 08-09-20 22:01, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My desktop was a Fedora 17 or so install, that has been continuously updated to Fedora 31, and due for one now. Most of the time, the
update just means minor updates to versions. KDE 4 to KDE 5 was the
only "breaking" change, and that was years ago.
I use Windows 10 at work, company supplied machine, and I've never seen an update happen. They must happen, because occasionally the software change slightly, but it seems to be in the background.
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 10 2020 09:29 am
I use Windows 10 at work, company supplied machine, and I've never seen an update happen. They must happen, because occasionally the software change slightly, but it seems to be in the background.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-09-20 22:01, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
My desktop was a Fedora 17 or so install, that has been continuously updated to Fedora 31, and due for one now. Most of the time, the
update just means minor updates to versions. KDE 4 to KDE 5 was the
only "breaking" change, and that was years ago.
Sounds good, but the key detail is what's the process for such updating
to create the effective "rolling distro"?
MRO wrote to Underminer <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Underminer to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 09 2020 03:25 pm
Like I say, if you just want to play games fine, it will work well enough for that. If you need to do anything resembling real work you either need to do a lot of self learning and setup, or be willing to spend $$ to have someone else do it for you.
Meanwhile, you take a system running a stable distro of Linux and it will run just as stable and happy as a stand alone system, part of a network, or anything else you want to do with it.
Dealing with Windows on an idividual or smb basis makes me want to boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Dennisk wrote to Atroxi <=-
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Atroxi <=-
Maybe it matters more for new users, the distro's defaults.
Oh certainly, I think the defaults are really more for the new users at some point once you go deep into the GNU/Linux rabbit hole you'll eventually develop your own workflow which might not be similar to the distro's defaults.
Red Hat or Fedora has something called a "kixstart" file or something
like that, which would have all the config options for a new install,
or most of them. Better than multiple spins. You could download the distro intaller, and then the config you want, then simply load the
config you want at install.
One spin, multiple outcomes.
Oh, that's interesting. That's quite similar to what Guix is doing with their config.scm file on install. You can basically dictate how the
system would install and configured, this includes all the user
settings and such, in a simple file in the system. I even saw a very
lean config file somewhere that installs nothing but the essentials.
That might be something that would interest you.
It's quite likely that its already been done, or thought of. I think
it is a better solution than multiple spins, or spin-off distros.
Simpler and less confusing.
... MultiMail, the new multi-platform, multi-format offline reader!
--- MultiMail/Linux v0.52
= Synchronet = End Of The Line BBS - endofthelinebbs.com
Slackware was my first distro back in the mid 90's. I remember starting a kernel compile, and having to let it run overnig
Slackware is the base system that my NAS runs on, using a system called "UnRAID". So I still get to tinker with it from time
time. :)
Re: Re: Linux
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Wed Aug 05 2020 06:56 am
The corporate world is hardcore Intel, Windows and Azure and
Microsoft 365. They're doing just fine.
Microsoft's Windows is the default. When the average Joe purchases a computer, it's pre-installed with Windows. Whether they
switch to Linux or another OS is hardly relevant as Microsoft have made their money. I am not aware of too many folk who bui
their own machines with the intent of bypassing the requirement of a Windows license.
Re: Re: Linux
By: Underminer to poindexter FORTRAN on Sun Aug 09 2020 03:25 pm
Like I say, if you just want to play games fine, it will work well enough for that. If you need to do anything resembli
real work you either need to do a lot of self learning and setup, or be willing to spend $$ to have someone else do it
you.
Meanwhile, you take a system running a stable distro of Linux and it will run just as stable and happy as a stand alone
system, part of a network, or anything else you want to do with it.
Dealing with Windows on an idividual or smb basis makes me want to boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont have problems with it.
Microsoft does not make the bulk of their money from selling you a software license. They don't give a damn if you pirate the
hell out of it. They want you to use Microsoft Office, pirated or not, because that way they ensure the dominant document
format in the IT ecosystem is one they control. Then they can charge multiple kilobucks to enterprise customers if they want to
do fancy stuff with that format.
Or patent troll you, or whatever.
I don't build my own machines with the intention of screwing Microsoft, but I certainly build them from used components or buy
used ones because that is so much more cost effective. Running Linux or OpenBSD on top of them certainly prevents a MS Windows
sale.
Windows updates often run on their own unless your company has set up an U Server. Those give your Systems Administrator (or team) the ability to scr d install updates based on their schedule instead of Redmond's.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
It's not "hard," it's needlessly aggravating. It's like... imagine if you had a car where you had to walk around and unlock all the doors before any would open, and 90% of the cars on the market worked like that, then you get a car that has remote start and try to explain to people that the "normal" way of doing things is broken and there's a much better system out there, but all you get back is that walking around to all 4 doors and putting your key in works just fine, and they ask why it's so hard for you.... it isn't, but it's stupid.
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to poindexter FORTRAN on Mon Aug 10 2020 09:29 am
I use Windows 10 at work, company supplied machine, and I've never
seen an update happen. They must happen, because occasionally the
software change slightly, but it seems to be in the background.
I shut down my machine at the end of the day. Must be during the day. Or maybe Windows doesn't get updates at all.
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
Andeddu wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Microsoft's Windows is the default. When the average Joe purchases a computer, it's pre-installed with Windows. Whether they switch to Linux
or another OS is hardly relevant as Microsoft have made their money. I
am not aware of too many folk who build their own machines with the
intent of bypassing the requirement of a Windows license.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it.
Make a program that a fool could use, and only a fool will want to use it.
For us the biggest advantage (other than being able to control what gets updated when) is having one server reaching out to the internet to download the updates. Then all of our servers & workstations can download from that one server, saving on bandwidth and speeding up installations.
i use windows and linux in harmony. i dont really see why you get aggrivated by windows.
maybe there are some 3rd party programs you could use to tweak it to your liking. ---
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
i use windows and linux in harmony. i dont really see why you get
aggrivated by windows.
I deal with and support this junk all day, so I have a very low tolerance left for annoyances with it for my own usage. Likewise, decades of deskside support, depot work, and IT consulting have bombarded me with the multitude of really stupid ways Windows environments can fail. Linux isn't immune to that, but I find it easier to avoid. If you prefer Windows, by all means use it.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have
problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Andeddu wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Microsoft's Windows is the default. When the average Joe purchases a computer, it's pre-installed with Windows. Whether they switch to Linux or another OS is hardly relevant as Microsoft have made their money. I am not aware of too many folk who build their own machines with the intent of bypassing the requirement of a Windows license.
Back in the day, people used to request a Windows refund from
Microsoft, it made the news back in the '90s.
... Be extravagant
Back in the day, people used to request a Windows refund from
Microsoft, it made the news back in the '90s.
Do you know if they were successful in obtaining a refund? I reckon it's a hard one to argue as they'd have purchased the computer with Window's pre-installed... surely that's an admission that they were happy with the transaction at the time?
Re: Re: Linux
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 06:35 pm
Back in the day, people used to request a Windows refund from
Microsoft, it made the news back in the '90s.
Do you know if they were successful in obtaining a refund? I reckon it's a hard one to argue as they'd have purchased the computer with Window's pre-installed... sure
that's an admission that they were happy with the transaction at the time?
On 08-10-20 20:46, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think the key detail is that the difference between an up to date
Fedora 31, and the Fedora 32 release, is most of the time not that significant. So even though you still make the "leap" from Fedora 31
to 32 then to 33, etc, that "leap" is actually a small step.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-10-20 20:46, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I think the key detail is that the difference between an up to date
Fedora 31, and the Fedora 32 release, is most of the time not that significant. So even though you still make the "leap" from Fedora 31
to 32 then to 33, etc, that "leap" is actually a small step.
That's not a helpful practical detail, just a statement of what appears
to be fact. I'm more interested in the process used. I know how
Debian is upgraded, and I don't know what other distros can be successfully upgraded in a similar way.
Andeddu wrote to poindexter FORTRAN <=-
Do you know if they were successful in obtaining a refund? I reckon
it's a hard one to argue as they'd have purchased the computer with Window's pre-installed... surely that's an admission that they were
happy with the transaction at the time?
The argument was based on the MS TOS that stated you could get a refund. However Microsoft required the OEM Vendors to provide the refund, so nobody received one from Microsoft. It did however do a good job at promoting Free Software concerns.
Re: Re: Linux
By: poindexter FORTRAN to Andeddu on Mon Aug 10 2020 06:35 pm
Back in the day, people used to request a Windows refund from
Microsoft, it made the news back in the '90s.
Do you know if they were successful in obtaining a refund? I reckon it's a hard one to argue as they'd have purchased the computer with Window's pre-installed... surely that's an admission that they were happy with the transaction at the time?
On 08-12-20 21:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Fedora is updated in a very similar way to Debian. DNF is Fedora's equivalent of APT. You use DNF to do a system upgrade, by passing a system-upgrade flag and the version you want to upgrade to.
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-12-20 21:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Fedora is updated in a very similar way to Debian. DNF is Fedora's equivalent of APT. You use DNF to do a system upgrade, by passing a system-upgrade flag and the version you want to upgrade to.
Oh, OK, so they've gone away from YUM? Not sure I like the sound of "DNF", in my game it means "Did Not Finish". ;)
Anyway, that makes sense, and that would make Fedora a more interesting proposition.
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).
On 08-14-20 09:49, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, they moved away from Yum years ago. IIRC, DNF is native code, Yum was python, so DNF is a bit faster. DNF was pretty much a drop in replacement for Yum.
I only use Fedora because my first distro was a Red Hat based one (Definite Linux 7.0) , then I moved to Red Hat (I think 6.2? 7.0?). I stuck with what I know, and Fedora has the packages that I'm used to having installed on my system.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-14-20 09:49, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Yes, they moved away from Yum years ago. IIRC, DNF is native code, Yum was python, so DNF is a bit faster. DNF was pretty much a drop in replacement for Yum.
Ahh OK, cool. So won't be an issue to learn, I am still familiar with yum. :)
I only use Fedora because my first distro was a Red Hat based one (Definite Linux 7.0) , then I moved to Red Hat (I think 6.2? 7.0?). I stuck with what I know, and Fedora has the packages that I'm used to having installed on my system.
I started with Ygdrasil(sp?), then Slackware, then moved to Red Hat for
a number of years, but in recent years (last 10 or so), I've drifted across to Debian style distros. :)
A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.
If you ever are wanting Arch again, google ARCHFI and use that script to do the installation... it guides you thru install; you don't have to know the inner workings of linux to get wifi and other essentials going.
However, I suggest that people use Archfi once and then go back and learn the linuxy stuff... its great knowledge to have, if you ever have to dig in on other systems some day.
Sadly,Slackware has been losing ground to OpenBSD in my networks since Patrick has such bad communication issues. The current -stable release of Slackware is getting a bit outdated for some tasks and I find myself upgrading those boxes to OpenBSD -release. Slackware development is very active - changelogs scrolling blazing fast - but we don't get a picture of that the release goals are and what we can expect.
s windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it.
Make a program that a fool could use, and only a fool will want to use it.
Re: Re: Linux
By: Arelor to DaiTengu on Mon Aug 10 2020 07:38 am
Sadly,Slackware has been losing ground to OpenBSD in my networks since Patrick has such bad communication issues. The current -stable release of Slackware is
getting a bit outdated for some tasks and I find myself upgrading those boxes to OpenBSD -release. Slackware development is very active - changelogs scrolling
blazing fast - but we don't get a picture of that the release goals are and what we can expect.
Roadmaps are nice to have, especially with huge open source projects like distros. It sounds like they just don't quite have a "big picture" group as to where they
want to go.
The only machine I run any kind of *BSD on here is my pfSense router. I haven't used it in any production environment in about a decade.
My go-to choice for any kind of production server is CentOS. It's stable, and that's often what I need.
DaiTengu
... I can't promise anything but I can promise 100%.
Heh, just a word of warning. It looks like IBM is doing IBM things and started quietly outsourcing what Red Hat's team used to do to India. So much for their promises of letting Red Hat be the same it always was...
On 08-14-20 22:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There were some differences with the API, and how it works internally,
but from the POV of a user, its almost exactly the same. You likely
won't have to do anything different except type "dnf" where you used to type "yum".
A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.
Stick with what works for you. I don't feel the need to evangelise any particular distro, but if you do want to remain up to date, Fedora is great in that regard.
Yeah, the primary determinant of what distro I use is the use case. A lot of software is easier to work with under one distro or another. Some particularly tricky to compile (usually because of a myriad of
Much amateur software these days tends to favour Debian based systems, and that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-14-20 22:25, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
There were some differences with the API, and how it works internally,
but from the POV of a user, its almost exactly the same. You likely
won't have to do anything different except type "dnf" where you used to type "yum".
So it's dead simple to switch to Dnf. :D
A rolling Fedora distro does sound like not a bad way to go.
Stick with what works for you. I don't feel the need to evangelise any particular distro, but if you do want to remain up to date, Fedora is great in that regard.
Yeah, the primary determinant of what distro I use is the use case. A
lot of software is easier to work with under one distro or another.
Some particularly tricky to compile (usually because of a myriad of dependencies from multiple non standard sources) may be available precompiled for a particular distro, or dependencies may be easier to satisfy on certsin distros.
Much amateur software these days tends to favour Debian based systems,
and that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There
was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.
Linux is literally my day job. :)
I'm a sysadmin for a large adtech company. I manage about 2000
physical server s and a couple hundred virtual ones.
dealing with Linux all day really has
killed my desire to ti nker with it in my free time. :)
On 08-16-20 13:28, Underminer wrote to Vk3jed <=-
that's the primary reason I run mostly Debian or variants. There was a time when Red Hat/CentOS were the preferred distros.
Yeah, if there's a package available there's going to be a .deb. The
AUR is super nice in Arch though. ---
On 08-17-20 08:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.
I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't
.rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software
packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but
no .rpm.
Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight
advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After
selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner. I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell, streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc, occasionally using my own copy of a
binary instead of the distro one (I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
It's been some time since I tried to play with Arch, I keep meaning to go back to it, but honestly, dealing with Linux all day really has killed my desire to tinker with it in my free time. :)
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-17-20 08:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
From yum? Yes. If you know yum, you know dnf.
Cool, of course, I could even do:
ln -s dnf yum
from the directory dnf resides in.
I tend to find that there are sometimes .deb's where there aren't
.rpms. Not often, but it does happen. Typically with software
packaged by the software creator. On occasion, I've found a .deb, but
no .rpm.
I even have software that not only had a .deb, but a complete apt repository, and some that are quite distribution specific - I had to
use Debian 9 to successfully install the AllStarLink RoIP system. The .debs would install on other distros like Ubuntu 18.04, but the source
for Dahdi (the drivers) wouldn't compile on Ubuntu.
Not a deal breaker, as its rare, but .deb system have a slight
advantage there, and is probably the one factor which pushes me toward Debian.
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
On 08-17-20 21:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just found that I stil have yum installed!
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?
Vk3jed wrote to Dennisk <=-
On 08-17-20 21:59, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
I just found that I stil have yum installed!
Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?
Yeah, the availability of apt repos and version specificity has
definitely kept me in the Debian camp in recent years.
Perhaps not worth moving on for you then?
At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.
On 08-18-20 21:15, Dennisk wrote to Vk3jed <=-
Haha is it actual yum or a symlink to dnf?
It's a symlink to dnf!
At this time, no, but if there's something I intend to use heavily that requires Red Hat/Fedora, or at least strongly prefers a RH flavoured distro, then I will seriously consider Fedora over CentOS.
Cool. If any questions, let me know.
Dennisk wrote to Atroxi <=-
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner.
I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell,
streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit
me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot
button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc,
occasionally using my own copy of a binary instead of the distro one
(I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to Atroxi <=-
Atroxi wrote to Dennisk <=-
Dennisk wrote to MRO <=-
MRO wrote to Dennisk <=-
Re: Re: Linux
By: Dennisk to MRO on Mon Aug 10 2020 08:50 pm
boot things out the window far too often.
why is windows so hard for you? they designed it so even idiots wont
have problems with it. ---
Idiots may not have problems with it, but anyone who isn't one, will.
if someone is smart enough, they will be smart enough not to have problems. ---
I don't think it works quite like that. Some people are too smart, and end up creating problems they didn't need to.
Yeah, I remember years ago when I really wanted to customize the crap
out of the Windows 7 box, with all those custom aero stuff and
aesthetic stuff that only a nerd teenager would care about. I went into
a dive of modifying system files to the point of breaking my system
just because I wanted to change the way it works. Then, I found
GNU/Linux and it blew my mind how I can actually build a custom system from the ground up instead of stripping one away and making it custom (though still not quite).
Being able to compile the kernel, and choose what goes into it was something that surprised me. It was one of the first things I tried to customise! (After selecting the window manager I wanted). I borked the system a few times, but my compiled kernel did run faster and leaner.
I mostly customize the GUI (I use FVWM, which allows for some heavy customisation, more than any other WM I've used), the shell,
streamlining things, and changing some niggly defaults that don't suit
me and adding things I think are missing (like a shutdown/reboot
button) on the XDM login screen, disabling pulseaudio, adding the -CK kernel patch, adding scripts, etc,
Oh yes. What a thrill doing something like that is. A few months ago I dived head-first into Gentoo and suddenly a whole world of
customization was opened to me. I never imagined how these small tweaks would actually be beneficial on the long run but it did. Sadly, the
amount of time compiling packages really took a toll on me, haha! And I feel like I'm not yet smart enough to deal with stuff or maybe I'm just lazy to give up a weekend to just learn the stuff.
Right now I've pretty much integrated my whole setup around using bspwm and terminal applications. It's surprising to me actually how little
that I need to have to be able to use my computer productively (or not, haha!). Most of the time I'm just writing stuff and that's done through vim and I either compile it to LaTeX or groff. Other than that, most of the stuff that I have are scripts that I wrote to manage the system's functions like using dmenu as a power menu, display menu, mount menu,
etc. I think right now the only thing that I'm missing is the ability
to do spreadsheets, and while libreoffice does that I would like to do spreadsheets in the commandline.
occasionally using my own copy of a binary instead of the distro one
(I try to avoid this, because its a headache during updates).
Oh man. It IS a pain.
I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.
Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Arelor on Wed Aug 05 2020 09:11 pm
I dont think many people actually have fiber. i have to use spectrum
which is only like 10MB down and 2MB up. sucks.
I have Spectrum cable here and it's pretty good (200MB down, 10MB up). It's their cheapest business tier which is required if you want static IP addresses. I think it costs me $79 a month.
over by me they took over from timewarner so they have their infrastructure. we've always had static ips. i could probably get faster speeds if i use my cable modem.
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from 200Mbps to 400Mbps
Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Digital Man on Tue Sep 08 2020 05:15 pm
(i am now using Mb instead of MB) if i pay 20 bucks more i can go from
200Mbps to 400Mbps
Sounds similar to the service offering here. And yeah, I meant Mb (bits) when I too wrote MB before.
digital man
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
On 9/10/2020 4:26 PM, MRO wrote:
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
Mine's not much more than that (20Mbps ~= 2.5MBps). Most users don't
use much upload, so ISPs use many more channels for download vs upload. You can always get a dedicated symmetric connection, but those aren't cheap. I get 200mbit down, 20 up.
when i was writing MB i meant megabyte. sucks that my upload speed
isnt even 2MB. i think it's because i'm in a heavily populated area.
i'm in a big city. i should have gigabit dammit!
I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got 200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.
Internet in America is only just better than Australia, and I guarantee you Australia will switch places with us in the next few years.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
On 9/29/2020 6:48 PM, MRO wrote:
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville]
they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig through
people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they
can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
From what I've read, regarding micro trenching, it hasn't been very
good in terms of reliability... a lot of need for re-runs, unless it's gotten better.
I just moved to Marina in Monterey County and I now have access to gigabit if I want it, but it's through comsuck. I got
200mb to try them out, and they can't maintain that speed except for like 3am in the morning, so fuck them.
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
couple) that recently did that down the street where I work. They had
to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could run the
fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now there are round
spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
Re: Re: Steam DRM
By: Nightfox to MRO on Wed Sep 30 2020 08:13 am
There's an internet company in my area that does fiber (there are a
couple) that recently did that down the street where I work.
They had to dig small holes down through the sidewalk so they could
run the fiber cable through, then patched the holes. Now
there are round spaces with black concrete in them in the sidewalk.
Does it look OK, or stupid, or ugly? Man if some company came in and fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.
Re: Re: Steam DRM
By: MRO to Android8675 on Thu Oct 08 2020 05:09 pm
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
huge fail and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
lines.
Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??
well now i heard on the radio that in my state in kenosha [riotville] they are doing to do gigabit. but they are going to dig
through people's yards and driveways via 'micro trenching'. they claim they can patch it up but people arent happy with it.
I'd be curious as to how that goes. I've heard of city municipalities opening their own fiber Internet Service for city residents and are able to offer deals like what Google Fiber was doing (1gb for like $30/month). I suspect if people were pushed just a bit around here we could convince the city gov to at least look into something like that.
I know any place considered "rural" should look into that I guess.
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the lines.
i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid the fiber optics.
On 10/8/2020 3:09 PM, MRO wrote:
i guess google tried 'nano trenching' in lousville ky and it was a
huge failure and it looks like shit. also repaving roads damaged the
lines.
i guess the deeper trenches dont fuck up as bad due to tire wear, but
it still looks like a black line of tar of whatever where they laid
the fiber
optics.
fucked up my sidewalks I'd be pissed.
I think it looks somewhat ugly, but then, I'm not the type to really care so much about the appearance of the sidewalk near where I live/work. As long as people can walk across it, I guess it's doing it's job. Also, I think a sidewalk is public property rather than your own property - Utility
companies or the city may need to come do work on it if they need to drill for cables or a storm drain, etc.. I don't think the sidewalk is yours to do what you want with.
Whatever happened to that google wifi for all??
In contrast though, I see that kind of tar line on streets without
fiber, just to "repair" cracks/wear.
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