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    From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Friday, April 18, 2025 09:44:00
    You are not safer with him in CECOT. He was allegedly not even a gang member and was here *legally*.

    That's the first I've heard about that. But even if he was here legally, he wasn't born here, he's not a citizen, and therefore he can be deported for failing to pay a parking ticket, for applying for food stamps, or for many other minor crimes. None of us have any solid facts on him, so it's just as ridiculous to defend him as it is to condemn him.

    Which would be true if he hadn't already been sent to prison, in a foreign country that isn't his own.

    You may want to read up on the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence while bearing in mind that there was no such thing as a "US citizen" when it was written... everyone here that wasn't a Native American
    was an immigrant.

    You are actually less safe because it means they can screw up and send anyone down there, and they not be able to get them back.

    What's even more unsafe is feeling victimized by something you saw on TV.

    Like Trump telling the President of El Salvador that he'd like to be able
    to send down "home grown" people, too? You do realize that means "born
    here" and therefore a citizen?


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Saturday, April 19, 2025 12:00:06
    That's the first I've heard about that. But even if he was here legally, wasn't born here, he's not a citizen, and therefore he can be deported f failing to pay a parking ticket, for applying for food stamps, or for ma other minor crimes. None of us have any solid facts on him, so it's just ridiculous to defend him as it is to condemn him.

    Which would be true if he hadn't already been sent to prison, in a
    foreign country that isn't his own.

    Are you sure about that? Everything I've read about this indicates that he's a Salvadoran national.

    You may want to read up on the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence while bearing in mind that there was no such thing as a "US citizen" when it was written... everyone here that wasn't a Native American was an immigrant.

    The constitution didn't exist when the Declaration of Independence was written, so IMO it overrides the Declaration of Independence.

    What's even more unsafe is feeling victimized by something you saw on TV

    Like Trump telling the President of El Salvador that he'd like to be able to send down "home grown" people, too? You do realize that means "born here" and therefore a citizen?

    There are things he'd like to do but can't, but I enjoy hearing about the things that "he'd like to do."

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Sunday, April 20, 2025 08:23:00
    You may want to read up on the grievances listed in the Declaration of Independence while bearing in mind that there was no such thing as a "US citizen" when it was written... everyone here that wasn't a Native American was an immigrant.

    The constitution didn't exist when the Declaration of Independence was
    ritten
    so IMO it overrides the Declaration of Independence.

    The passages in the Declaration talk about jailing colonials in foreign countries without fair trial. There is nothing in the Consitition that contradicts this. There are, OTOH, things in the Constitution that should prevent this from happening, should anyone care to actually follow it.


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