From TLDR 2025-02-11

CHINESE SCIENTISTS CREATED MICE WITH 2 DADS - AND THEY SURVIVED TO
ADULTHOOD (5 MINUTE READ) [13]

Scientists in China have unveiled a new method for breeding mice with
two male parents - the resulting babies can survive to adulthood. It
is not the first time scientists have bred mice with two dads, but
previous attempts did not result in mice that could live to adulthood.
The resulting mice had deficits, including shorter lifespans and
infertility. The research could result in a better understanding of
imprinting disorders, potentially paving the way to treatments that
use gene editing to fix them in humans.

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Scientists in China have unveiled a new method for breeding mice with
two male parents - the resulting babies can survive to adulthood. It
is not the first time scientists have bred mice with two dads, but previous attempts did not result in mice that could live to adulthood.
The resulting mice had deficits, including shorter lifespans and infertility. The research could result in a better understanding of imprinting disorders, potentially paving the way to treatments that
use gene editing to fix them in humans.

The research could results in "a better understanding of imprinting disorders," but could it also lead to homosexual men reproducing?

I'm in favor of equal rights for men to raise their children. Something like this could help pave the way for that to happen.

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Scientists in China have unveiled a new method for breeding mice with two male parents - the resulting babies can survive to adulthood. It
is not the first time scientists have bred mice with two dads, but previous attempts did not result in mice that could live to adulthood. The resulting mice had deficits, including shorter lifespans and infertility. The research could result in a better understanding of imprinting disorders, potentially paving the way to treatments that
use gene editing to fix them in humans.

The research could results in "a better understanding of imprinting disorders,
but could it also lead to homosexual men reproducing?

I'm in favor of equal rights for men to raise their children. Something like this could help pave the way for that to happen.

I supposed it could lead to that. I, like you, don't see any issues with
that. You had better not let the guys in POLITICS hear you say that,
though, or you will be labeled a "lefty parrot" and they will (supposedly) ignore you. :O :D

I am on the fence when it comes to gene editing. It could lead to the ability to fix disorders before they happen. It could also lead to being able to make several other alterations for other, less charitable, reasons.

Mike


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I'm in favor of equal rights for men to raise their children. Something this could help pave the way for that to happen.

I supposed it could lead to that. I, like you, don't see any issues with that. You had better not let the guys in POLITICS hear you say that, though, or you will be labeled a "lefty parrot" and they will
(supposedly) ignore you. :O :D

It's a good idea to reject leftie logic at first glance, but there are good
men who have lost their children because of gender discrimination. A true leftist won't look at it that way though; they'll just look at it whichever way the TV looks at it.

I am on the fence when it comes to gene editing. It could lead to the ability to fix disorders before they happen. It could also lead to
being able to make several other alterations for other, less charitable, reasons.

Eliminating the possibility of certain birth defects sounds like a good option for people to have. The left would probably prefer to mandate it though.

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I am on the fence when it comes to gene editing. It could lead to the >MP> ability to fix disorders before they happen. It could also lead to
being able to make several other alterations for other, less charitable, >MP> reasons.

Eliminating the possibility of certain birth defects sounds like a good

ption

for people to have. The left would probably prefer to mandate it though.

It could also be used to enhance, or remove, otherwise "good" traits from a population.


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Eliminating the possibility of certain birth defects sounds like a good

ption

for people to have. The left would probably prefer to mandate it though.

It could also be used to enhance, or remove, otherwise "good" traits
from a population.

Now that I'm in the right echo to say this, I have long suspected the left of genetically mutating people in order to produce the type of voters they desire.

Am I late to that party? Is the discussion of that already a thing?

Look at the Trump/Harris map. Is there any better explanation for it? Why would brainwashing/propaganda be so successful in certain regions?

Someone else has suggested (Ron) that it's probably from voter fraud in those states, which is a reasonable thing to suspect, but I suspect something even more sinister.

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Am I late to that party? Is the discussion of that already a thing?

How would they do that genetically?

The left has experts in every field:

Step one: Get psychologists to identify common biological properties of Democrat voters.

I doubt they would find one, just like I sincerely doubt there is one
common biological property that makes someone more likley to be a
Republican.

Step two: Get biologists to figure out how to intensify the properties.

Step three: Get chemists to concoct the special kool aid.

Step four: Get big names in the food industry to distribute the concoction.

These steps are moot as Step One would never work.

"The difference between conspiracy theory and the truth is about 4 years."
- Joe Lynn Turner

The former singer for the band Rainbow?


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Step one: Get psychologists to identify common biological properties of Democrat voters.

I doubt they would find one, just like I sincerely doubt there is one common biological property that makes someone more likley to be a Republican.

"The U.S. Transgender Survey finds only 2% of transgender people, not included in this report, are Republicans."

https://williamsinstitute.law.ucla.edu/wp-content/uploads/LGB-Party-Affiliation -Oct-2020.pdf

Have we seen an "uptick" (I hate that word) lately in the left's attempts to get children to consider alternative genders? I sure have. Seems awfully "systemic" (another word that I hate but sometimes gotta use it.)

"The difference between conspiracy theory and the truth is about 4 years - Joe Lynn Turner

The former singer for the band Rainbow?

Yes.

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Step one: Get psychologists to identify common biological properties

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Democrat voters.

I doubt they would find one, just like I sincerely doubt there is one common biological property that makes someone more likley to be a Republican.

"The U.S. Transgender Survey finds only 2% of transgender people, not

ncluded

in this report, are Republicans."

Because they are taught that Republicans are out to get them. Apparently, several are.


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Have we seen an "uptick" (I hate that word) lately in the left's attempts

>to get children to consider alternative genders? I sure have.
>Seems awfully "systemic"

Probably most people would consider me to be leaning left somewhat,
although I generally feel you get the best situation when the elected government is on the Left side of Right or the Right side of Left.
That way they don't do (as many) crazy things.

I'm all for treating everyone equally, but that's not what's
going on these days, and they would NEVER teach about heterosexual
couples to 6 year olds, but they sure tell them all about all the
other types these days. I worry, much as you suggested, that they
are teaching kids at very young ages that it's Cool to be Queer
(or Trans, etc.) while they are too young to understand about sex
on any level.

I'm all for doing whatever you want to (consenting adults) in your
own home but I'm not sure why they think it's okay to advertise
their choices in public. I don't think anyone, including hetero's,
should be doing that. Privacy people!

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Probably most people would consider me to be leaning left somewhat, although I generally feel you get the best situation when the elected government is on the Left side of Right or the Right side of Left.
That way they don't do (as many) crazy things.

I feel like the right in the USA doesn't go far enough. I'm not asking for Hitler, but if anyone on the right has an agenda, they don't seem to be checking much off from it lately.

I'm all for treating everyone equally, but that's not what's
going on these days, and they would NEVER teach about heterosexual
couples to 6 year olds, but they sure tell them all about all the
other types these days. I worry, much as you suggested, that they
are teaching kids at very young ages that it's Cool to be Queer
(or Trans, etc.) while they are too young to understand about sex
on any level.

Unlike the right, there are some very organized people working for the left, so organized that they're planting seeds for future votes. They seem to expect loyalty from minority groups, so they're attempting to increase the minority population by changing childrens' surroundings, which is unfair to the children. And you're right. Curiosity about sex should come naturally and that curiosity shouldn't be manipulated by scholarly people.

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I feel like the right in the USA doesn't go far enough. I'm not asking for Hi

>r, but if anyone on the right has an agenda, they don't seem to be checking m
> off from it lately.

Not being a part of that it's difficult for me to comment accurately
maybe but it seems to me Trump is into all for the Rich, although he
does a good job of hiding it. And in general I would not want to be
poor down there seeing how a lot of them live compared to up here.
Not that it's universal, we all have bad areas. But Trumps biggest
platform in his bid to take over Canada is how much our taxes would
go down if we joined the USA, which are admittedly high, but that's
our more 'Left' nature at work where, as long as you are in the system
(not homeless trying to avoid it) we are better supported in general I believe.. There are a huge number of rebates and grants for low income
people as long as you are, as I said, in the system since most of that
stuff is determined using your tax returns, even if you pay no taxes.

But they say that Trump's tariffs will act more like a tax on regular
Americans while hiding that it is a tax, while he's also trying to
bankrupt Canada to get us to join the USA.. But they say the tariffs
will increase the bills of the average American by $1300 a year and
that money is earmarked to lower the taxes for the very wealthy..
Most would say that is fairly Right thinking I believe.

Unlike the right, there are some very organized people working for the left,

>organized that they're planting seeds for future votes. They seem to expect l
>lty from minority groups, so they're attempting to increase the minority popu
>ion by changing childrens' surroundings, which is unfair to the children.

That's quite something.. I would wonder how much any group could accomplish
if they are not the party in power at the time. To make major changes up
here there are too many elected people that have to agree to them or it generally doesn't happen, although a huge issue is the NEW Political Correctness stuff going on which, if something is put forward to benefit
any minority group, be it racial, religious or sexual, most are afraid to
vote against it or they will look anti- whatever group is involved..

A country being too far Left tends to bankrupt the country and one
being too far Right tends to ignore the poor, destroy the middle class
with taxes, and make the ultra-rich even richer..

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But they say that Trump's tariffs will act more like a tax on regular Americans while hiding that it is a tax, while he's also trying to
bankrupt Canada to get us to join the USA.

I have never actually heard anyone explain why he wants Canada to join the
US. I actually thought it was a jab at Trudeau and not something he was serious about. Of course, I also thought the "Gulf of America" discussion
was a jab at Mexico but then it happened.

In Canada, what is the general feeling as to why Trump wants Canada to join with the USA?

Mike


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Not being a part of that it's difficult for me to comment accurately
maybe but it seems to me Trump is into all for the Rich, although he
does a good job of hiding it. And in general I would not want to be
poor down there seeing how a lot of them live compared to up here.
Not that it's universal, we all have bad areas. But Trumps biggest platform in his bid to take over Canada is how much our taxes would
go down if we joined the USA, which are admittedly high,

Their taxes pay for medical care, a pension fund, welfare and other social
services we don't have or don't do as well. And, they certainly don't
threaten to take services away as "entitlements".

If you include everything we pay to private insurance and retirement
funds, I bet it's a wash.


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Not being a part of that it's difficult for me to comment accurately
maybe but it seems to me Trump is into all for the Rich, although he
does a good job of hiding it. And in general I would not want to be
poor down there seeing how a lot of them live compared to up here.

How do you see Trump favoring the rich? I don't see that. I have seen the left (we call them Democrats) favoring the rich by letting prices soar while doing nothing about it. When Biden was elected in 2020, he said "expect less," and he kept his word.

The prices on homes in Ontario are outrageous. Here is the cheapest house on realtor.ca in Kingston:

https://tinyurl.com/fokaoffa

$324,999 for it, and it kinda looks like a dump. Imagine you work at Tim Horton's in Kingston, and you want to buy that place. How would you ever afford it? And that is the cheapest home in the whole city.

I love Ontario, but I'd rather be poor in the states. Here's the cheapest house in my city (in the states):

https://tinyurl.com/yc42drtf

$40k for that one, and it looks better than the house of horrors up in Kingston.

(not homeless trying to avoid it) we are better supported in general I believe.. There are a huge number of rebates and grants for low income

I appreciate your reply, and you sound like a very sincere and polite person, but I have to tell you that you're doing quite a bit of generalizing, which is fine, but "better supported in general" how? We have people (in the states) who are incredibly ignorant, refuse to work, but they still have a roof over their head, some with free food, and everyone in the states with low income has free health care.

bankrupt Canada to get us to join the USA.. But they say the tariffs
will increase the bills of the average American by $1300 a year and

The media says these things to scare people. You're a nice honest person, don't let them fool you. We went from Trump to Biden back to Trump. Our electricity bill more than doubled while Biden was president. Lots of other Yanks will tell you the same story.

>ion by changing childrens' surroundings, which is unfair to the childre

That's quite something.. I would wonder how much any group could accomplish if they are not the party in power at the time. To make major changes up here there are too many elected people that have to agree to them or it generally doesn't happen, although a huge issue is the NEW

Based on what you've said, I'm glad that Canada has so much stability in the process of changing things like education. I've always looked up to Canadians. But to shed some light on this subject: the extreme sex/gender indoctrination in our schools occurred primarily while Biden (left) was president. But no matter who is president, the left controls public education one way or another.

A country being too far Left tends to bankrupt the country and one
being too far Right tends to ignore the poor, destroy the middle class with taxes, and make the ultra-rich even richer..

I believe you, but I just haven't seen that here.

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By: Mike Powell to ROB MCCART on Tue Feb 18 2025 09:09 am

I have never actually heard anyone explain why he wants Canada to join the US. I actually thought it was a jab at Trudeau and not something he was serious about. Of course, I also thought the "Gulf of America" discussion

Make Canada a state, buy Greenland and Russian Subs have a free path to the Atlantic, where they'll get lost.
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I have never actually heard anyone explain why he wants Canada to join the US. I actually thought it was a jab at Trudeau and not something he was serious about. Of course, I also thought the "Gulf of America" discussion

Make Canada a state, buy Greenland and Russian Subs have a free path to the Atlantic, where they'll get lost.

Especially if they've not updated their maps to include the Gulf of America.


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$324,999 for it, and it kinda looks like a dump. Imagine you work at Tim Horton's in Kingston, and you want to buy that place. How would you ever affor
it? And that is the cheapest home in the whole city.

I hate to tell you this, but if you work at Tim Horton's in a US city (or
IHOP or McDonald's or wherever), you probably are not going to be able to afford the cheapest home in your own city, either. Certainly not one that
is not in a run-down, likely crime-ridden part of town.

I love Ontario, but I'd rather be poor in the states. Here's the cheapest hous
in my city (in the states):

https://tinyurl.com/yc42drtf

$40k for that one, and it looks better than the house of horrors up in Kingston.

Either your city has a very unusually low cost of living, or there is
something wrong with that house.

(not homeless trying to avoid it) we are better supported in general I believe.. There are a huge number of rebates and grants for low income

I appreciate your reply, and you sound like a very sincere and polite person, but I have to tell you that you're doing quite a bit of generalizing, which is
fine, but "better supported in general" how? We have people (in the states) wh
are incredibly ignorant, refuse to work, but they still have a roof over their
head, some with free food, and everyone in the states with low income has free
health care.

I am not so sure it is really free, at least not for citizens.


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I hate to tell you this, but if you work at Tim Horton's in a US city (or IHOP or McDonald's or wherever), you probably are not going to be able to afford the cheapest home in your own city, either. Certainly not one
that is not in a run-down, likely crime-ridden part of town.

Some states have expensive housing throughout, like Maryland and West Virginia. But in New York there are cities with very affordable housing.

I bought my house in 2016 while making $10.80/hr and my wife was not making much more than that. It was $50k and was in need of a paint job. It looks like a million bucks now.

Either your city has a very unusually low cost of living, or there is something wrong with that house.

It's just a small one (the one that I linked to.) There are severely run down homes in Binghamton & Watertown for $10k-$20k (some foreclosures, some not.)

health care.

I am not so sure it is really free, at least not for citizens.

I've had low income for most of my life, so I've been on Medicaid for most of my life. When my income reached a certain threshold, I paid for private health insurance while at a few jobs. Income limits for Medicaid vary from state to state. When I lived in New Mexico, and I made $10/hr, that was too much money to qualify for that state's Medicaid at the time, so I had to buy it through my job (and was overcharged bigtime.)

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But they say that Trump's tariffs will act more like a tax on regular

>> Americans while hiding that it is a tax, while he's also trying to
>> bankrupt Canada to get us to join the USA.

I have never actually heard anyone explain why he wants Canada to join the

>US. I actually thought it was a jab at Trudeau and not something he was
>serious about. Of course, I also thought the "Gulf of America" discussion
>was a jab at Mexico but then it happened.

I should be careful about saying too much directly about Trump. I would guarantee that we get different news up here than you get down there and
I'm not sure whether they just highlight what gets people's attention
in that country or if some things are blocked down there that we get
to see up here. Probably in both countries we should take the main
news with a bit if a grain of salt, although the NON mail news people
can be a serious problem as well.

Originally we did think that the Canada as the 51st state was a bit
of a joke, but he seems to be getting more and more serious about it
all the time. Honestly though, with him it's hard to tell what is a
ploy and what he's serious about. The bottom line is that a trade
war between our countries would just cost the regular people more.
The gov't will collect the tariffs as income and the amount of them
will just get passed down to the regular consumers in higher prices
so it acts more like a tax on almost everything you buy.

But it sounds like if he could arrange it at all Trump would like
the USA to take over Canada, Greenland, Panama and the Gaza strip.

In Canada, what is the general feeling as to why Trump wants Canada

>to join with the USA?

We have a lot of rare minerals and natural resources that we sell to
you and of the oil you import, 60% of it comes from Canada. Trump was
talking about a $200 Billion trade deficit with Canada - us selling
you that much more than you sell us - but they looked at that up here
and found if you remove Oil from that figure, which we actually sell
to you at 20% less than the going market rates, then you actually
end up with a small trade surplus. Someone said a while back that if
the Tariff war comes through and affects oil that Americans can
expect to pay about an extra $10 to fill their tanks.

Canada and the USA have one of the best relationships in the world
with the longest undefended border in the world. We generally like
each other and our trade back and forth is a huge part of both of
our economies so I hope that Trump doesn't do anything to mess that
up more than he already has (tourism and cross border shopping is
way down and we are booing each others national anthems at sporting
events). Fortunately this is his last term and I fear he is trying
to do something to really stand out in the history books more than
it actually being something to 'make America Great again'...
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And in general I would not want to be
poor down there seeing how a lot of them live compared to up here.
Not that it's universal, we all have bad areas. But Trumps biggest
platform in his bid to take over Canada is how much our taxes would
go down if we joined the USA, which are admittedly high,

Their taxes pay for medical care, a pension fund, welfare and other social

> services we don't have or don't do as well. And, they certainly don't
> threaten to take services away as "entitlements".

If you include everything we pay to private insurance and retirement

> funds, I bet it's a wash.

It's hard to say without really looking closely at it. I know we spend
about $5000 per person by population on 'free' healthcare, so there
are taxes to pay for that, and generally not enough so services are
getting slower and a few things not covered even though paying full
price for most medical treatments here is much cheaper than what you
would pay down there without insurance.

But a senior over 65 who has never paid a cent into pensions, gov't
or private, still gets over $1700 a month. You can make something
up to about $25,000 a year and pay no taxes at all and a lot of our
low income earner benefits only rely on your actual income to decide
if you qualify. They don't look at your assets / net worth.

No system is perfect. We land somewhere between your system and
Britain's system, which has become a joke for decades now but I'm
happy enough with ours. My Niece had a very premature baby, who
thankfully is now perfectly normal and healthy and too smart for
her own good, but without our healthcare system, they would have
been handed a bill for $250,000 when they left the hospital.

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I appreciate you being polite about this stuff. I hesitated to write
this note in the first place expecting nasty arguments. Just take from
it that my sources of information are different from yours and it's hard
to say which is right or if the correct answer lays between somewhere.

How do you see Trump favoring the rich?

It was just reported that he has promissed big tax cuts to the rich
and that he expected to use the tariffs to pay for it.

The prices on homes in Ontario are outrageous.

I Absolutely agree with that. It's ridiculous and went wild during
the early Covid years. I don't know what people will do if they
don't already own a house, how young people could buy their first
house. That said, I had to work 3 jobs when I bought my first house
at age 21 and my bank said my income would have to be triple what it
was to qualify for the mortgage, so I went to a mortgage broker and
paid a higher insterest rate.. and never missed a payment.

But prices can't stay this high or wages will catch up to match.
I bought my first place on a high too and, although prices didn't
drop, they didn't go up any more for the next 8 or so years either
so the incomes eventually caught up with the costs.

I appreciate your reply, and you sound like a very sincere and polite person,

>t I have to tell you that you're doing quite a bit of generalizing, which is
>e, but "better supported in general" how? We have people (in the states) who
> incredibly ignorant, refuse to work, but they still have a roof over their h
>, some with free food, and everyone in the states with low income has free he
>h care.

My thinking may be a bit warped there since my experience and friends
whose situation I'm aware of are seniors, and you probably saw my
reply about gov't support for them in my other messages on here.

That said, with healthcare and dental being mostly paid for for any
low income person it makes a big difference. Amounts of welfare for
those not working are all over the place depending on things, and
I haven't heard numbers in years but it was always far lower for
single males than anyone else. Ages back, maybe 20 years ago, I
heard people complaining that a single mother with a child with
the subsidies she got was living the same as a working person making
$50,000 a year, and money went a lot further back then.

Based on what you've said, I'm glad that Canada has so much stability in the

>cess of changing things like education. I've always looked up to Canadians. B
>to shed some light on this subject: the extreme sex/gender indoctrination in
> schools occurred primarily while Biden (left) was president. But no matter w
>is president, the left controls public education one way or another.

That's interesting.. and things these days are screwed up in one place
or another. My niece is a teacher in younger grades, K to 3, and she's
been punched and hit with objects by 'problem' kids and the school
system does nothing about it other than tell her she CAN NOT ever grab
a kid to stop them. For a while one principal had removed all books
from the school library that had white people in them. I had to ask
her twice to clarify that, and that's correct. They only had books
there that had minority characters in them. Fortunately the next
principal a couple of years later backed off on that.

And I think I mentioned that they tell all these young kids about
sex and gay/trans couples but they don't talk about heterosexual
couples at all. I sure hope the pendulum swings back a ways in the
coming years, either that or I can just be happy I'm too old for
most of this stuff to effect my life, at least for long.. B)

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I hate to tell you this, but if you work at Tim Horton's in a US city (or
IHOP or McDonald's or wherever), you probably are not going to be able to
afford the cheapest home in your own city, either. Certainly not one that is not in a run-down, likely crime-ridden part of town.

Some states have expensive housing throughout, like Maryland and West Virginia
But in New York there are cities with very affordable housing.

Kentucky (outside of Louisville and Lexington) has one of the lowest costs
of living. You are not going to buy a good home in a good area on a fast
food "salary" here.

health care.

I am not so sure it is really free, at least not for citizens.

I've had low income for most of my life, so I've been on Medicaid for most of my life. When my income reached a certain threshold, I paid for private health
insurance while at a few jobs. Income limits for Medicaid vary from state to state. When I lived in New Mexico, and I made $10/hr, that was too much money to qualify for that state's Medicaid at the time, so I had to buy it through m
job (and was overcharged bigtime.)

Interesting. I have never dealt with Medicaid. I was thinking of the HBE/ObamaCare, which I believe does cost some money.

Mike


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I should be careful about saying too much directly about Trump. I would guarantee that we get different news up here than you get down there and
I'm not sure whether they just highlight what gets people's attention
in that country or if some things are blocked down there that we get
to see up here. Probably in both countries we should take the main
news with a bit if a grain of salt, although the NON mail news people
can be a serious problem as well.

Down here, whatever will get the most clicks is what we are going to see
and hear the most.

Originally we did think that the Canada as the 51st state was a bit
of a joke, but he seems to be getting more and more serious about it
all the time. Honestly though, with him it's hard to tell what is a
ploy and what he's serious about. The bottom line is that a trade
war between our countries would just cost the regular people more.
The gov't will collect the tariffs as income and the amount of them
will just get passed down to the regular consumers in higher prices
so it acts more like a tax on almost everything you buy.

Yes, trade wars do not help the consumer, especially if they drag on for
any amount of time.

In Canada, what is the general feeling as to why Trump wants Canada

>to join with the USA?

We have a lot of rare minerals and natural resources that we sell to
you and of the oil you import, 60% of it comes from Canada. Trump was
talking about a $200 Billion trade deficit with Canada - us selling
you that much more than you sell us - but they looked at that up here
and found if you remove Oil from that figure, which we actually sell
to you at 20% less than the going market rates, then you actually
end up with a small trade surplus. Someone said a while back that if
the Tariff war comes through and affects oil that Americans can
expect to pay about an extra $10 to fill their tanks.

Interesting. When I was in Canada in 2017, a Canadian explained to me that
a lot of the oil "exported" to the US is actually sent here to be refined
into gasoline and is then imported back into Canada, which is why he said
he pays more for gasoline in Canada. He insinuated that the Canadian
refining capacity is kept intentionally low by regulations (I am guessing environmental).

Canada and the USA have one of the best relationships in the world
with the longest undefended border in the world. We generally like
each other and our trade back and forth is a huge part of both of
our economies so I hope that Trump doesn't do anything to mess that
up more than he already has (tourism and cross border shopping is
way down and we are booing each others national anthems at sporting
events). Fortunately this is his last term and I fear he is trying
to do something to really stand out in the history books more than
it actually being something to 'make America Great again'...

He should be trying to do good things to stand out. Not so sure that idea
has sunk in, though. :( If it were me, I would prefer not to be known as
the President who ruined Canadian-American relations. I guess he maybe has other ideas.

Mike

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That's interesting.. and things these days are screwed up in one place
or another. My niece is a teacher in younger grades, K to 3, and she's
been punched and hit with objects by 'problem' kids and the school
system does nothing about it other than tell her she CAN NOT ever grab
a kid to stop them.

From what I can tell, at least this part is the same here also. :(

Mike

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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

Make Canada a state, buy Greenland and Russian Subs have a free path to the Atlantic, where they'll get lost.

Especially if they've not updated their maps to include the Gulf of America.

Thank you for that - I needed a laugh!



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Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

Originally we did think that the Canada as the 51st state was a bit
of a joke, but he seems to be getting more and more serious about it
all the time.

I'm sure it was a deliberate head-fake, get people agitated about
something he's not going to do as cover for DOGE. But, Trump can't back
down - he doubles down.

I liked the analysis that admitting Canada into the union would result
in 13 more significantly progressive states and could skew any future
elections. If we have elections again.

Honestly though, with him it's hard to tell what is a
ploy and what he's serious about. The bottom line is that a trade
war between our countries would just cost the regular people more.

Trump, this time around even more, seems beholden. To Putin, Greenland
and Canada are key to the Atlantic ocean. It seems like DOGE's end game
is to privatize the government to the benefit of billionaires. Any
market crash helps those with money buy distressed assets at a
discount, and lets him "save" us. Remember his mantra last time - only I
can save government? This time, he bears responsibility for it, being
president for 4 of the last 8 years. His cabinet resemble syncophant goons
who have claimed loyalty to Trump, not the constitution.

The gov't will collect the tariffs as income and the amount of them
will just get passed down to the regular consumers in higher prices
so it acts more like a tax on almost everything you buy.

But it sounds like if he could arrange it at all Trump would like
the USA to take over Canada, Greenland, Panama and the Gaza strip.

In Canada, what is the general feeling as to why Trump wants Canada

>to join with the USA?

We have a lot of rare minerals and natural resources that we sell to
you and of the oil you import, 60% of it comes from Canada. Trump was talking about a $200 Billion trade deficit with Canada - us selling
you that much more than you sell us - but they looked at that up here
and found if you remove Oil from that figure, which we actually sell
to you at 20% less than the going market rates, then you actually
end up with a small trade surplus. Someone said a while back that if
the Tariff war comes through and affects oil that Americans can
expect to pay about an extra $10 to fill their tanks.

Canada and the USA have one of the best relationships in the world
with the longest undefended border in the world. We generally like
each other and our trade back and forth is a huge part of both of
our economies so I hope that Trump doesn't do anything to mess that
up more than he already has (tourism and cross border shopping is
way down and we are booing each others national anthems at sporting events). Fortunately this is his last term and I fear he is trying
to do something to really stand out in the history books more than
it actually being something to 'make America Great again'...
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Mike Powell wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

Kentucky (outside of Louisville and Lexington) has one of the lowest
costs of living. You are not going to buy a good home in a good area
on a fast food "salary" here.

47th in economy, 34th in education, 43rd in fisxcal stability, 40th in
health care... you get what you pay for.



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I appreciate you being polite about this stuff. I hesitated to write
this note in the first place expecting nasty arguments. Just take from
it that my sources of information are different from yours and it's hard to say which is right or if the correct answer lays between somewhere.

That's a good point. It's important to never trust the outer layer of what
the media says. You can get some truth out of what they say, but only if you decode it first.

How do you see Trump favoring the rich?

It was just reported that he has promissed big tax cuts to the rich
and that he expected to use the tariffs to pay for it.

I haven't heard about that promise, but are they referring to corporations?
Tax cuts for corporations can lead to good things for average Americans, and
it can prevent them from taking their business overseas.

But prices can't stay this high or wages will catch up to match.
I bought my first place on a high too and, although prices didn't
drop, they didn't go up any more for the next 8 or so years either
so the incomes eventually caught up with the costs.

Incomes catching up with costs sounds like a fairy tale. Does that really happen? I've never seen it happen before.

That's interesting.. and things these days are screwed up in one place
or another. My niece is a teacher in younger grades, K to 3, and she's been punched and hit with objects by 'problem' kids and the school
system does nothing about it other than tell her she CAN NOT ever grab

We have a similar issue in NY with prison guards being attacked by prisoners, and they're not allowed to fight back, so they're protesting (this is right now.)

a kid to stop them. For a while one principal had removed all books
from the school library that had white people in them. I had to ask
her twice to clarify that, and that's correct. They only had books
there that had minority characters in them. Fortunately the next
principal a couple of years later backed off on that.

Similar events have taken place here. The left used to complain about equality, and now that we've achieved that, they seem to be taking us back to inequality once more.

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$324,999 for it, and it kinda looks like a dump. Imagine you work at Tim

>> Horton's in Kingston, and you want to buy that place. How would you ever af
>> it? And that is the cheapest home in the whole city.

Our minimum wage here is now $17.20 an hour.. does that help? B)

There are cities, some good sized ones, where fewer people want to
live or there's not enough work to attract any but retired people
where you can buy houses and condos for around that $300,000 or so,
but quite nice ones in these areas since the whole place is lower
priced and you're not buying into an area of extremely poor people.

And some modular home parks (like big trailers without wheels?)
sell for from not much over $100,000 to $200,000 but you lease the
land and the value is in the location. If the place closes down you
virtually lose it all. You'd be lucky to get $15,000 for the home,
which would have to be moved. But, that said, a friend of mine who
has one of those bought it about 15 years ago for under $25,000 so
nothing is immune to the skyrocketing prices.

I hate to tell you this, but if you work at Tim Horton's in a US city (or

>IHOP or McDonald's or wherever), you probably are not going to be able to
>afford the cheapest home in your own city, either. Certainly not one that
>is not in a run-down, likely crime-ridden part of town.

There's no question housing is out of control at the moment but we have
an election coming up and they are all planning (?) to do something
about housing prices. Have to wait and see..

Those of us who were already owners can sit back and reap the rewards
I suppose, as long as you're not planning on moving to a bigger place
or to a bigger city.

Funny story about my place.. Originally it was part of a resort on
Georgian bay with primitive little cottages. Our family bought 2.25
acres with 650 feet of water frontage and 5 cottages and a couple of
out buildings. We paid $69,000 for it in 1980..

27 years later when my parents were getting too old to spend much time
there we split the property and my brother, my sister and I kept one
side with 1.25 acres and 3 cottages and we sold the other side with
1 acre of land and 2 cottages for just over $400,000 by then.

Now, another 18 years later, a recent estimate of value I got last
summer from a property manager in the area said our property here
is now worth roughly $1.2 million, even though the buildings on it,
being small and old, are virtually worthless.

Isn't real estate fun? B)

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Make Canada a state, buy Greenland and Russian Subs have a free path to

he

Atlantic, where they'll get lost.

Especially if they've not updated their maps to include the Gulf of America.

Thank you for that - I needed a laugh!

It might have been funny when it was first suggested (like funny stupid),
but now that they are insisting on it, it is not really funny. Sort of
like the press secretary's crack about the "51st state" before the recent hockey match.

I don't normally have a high opinion of most politicians and their cronies,
but I would prefer that they not publicly show how stupid they really are
on a routine basis, as they have for the past few years now.


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I should be careful about saying too much directly about Trump. I would

>> guarantee that we get different news up here than you get down there and
>> I'm not sure whether they just highlight what gets people's attention
>> in that country or if some things are blocked down there that we get
>> to see up here. Probably in both countries we should take the main
>> news with a bit if a grain of salt, although the NON mail news people
>> can be a serious problem as well.

Down here, whatever will get the most clicks is what we are going to see

>and hear the most.

Some part of the problem may be that the gov't has some control over
what ends up on the news, as much as we'd hope that isn't the case,
and that's why I mentioned we may see things you don't. I was trying
to find a news story from a while back, maybe 2 years, when Trump made
some long speech and a news channel down there fact checked it and,
if I recall, found more than 100 'inaccuracies' in facts that Trump
was giving. I tried to find the exact info on that online but it seems
to have vanished, or been deeply buried. While looking for it I did
find similar references to recent talks he gave siting between 20
and 40 'errors' in his talks.

Yes, trade wars do not help the consumer, especially if they drag on for

>any amount of time.

Yes, we've spent about 50 years setting up one of the best relationships
in the world for trade and it's in danger of serious harm. Nothing has
even happened yet but it's already cost the USA many millions of
dollars as Canadians expecting the worst (and resenting it) have
cancelled trips to the USA and stopped buying USA products in the
stores, and this is before anything has been done yet. If Trump is
bluffing he's hurting your economy a lot doing it.

Interesting. When I was in Canada in 2017, a Canadian explained to me that

>a lot of the oil "exported" to the US is actually sent here to be refined
>into gasoline and is then imported back into Canada, which is why he said
>he pays more for gasoline in Canada. He insinuated that the Canadian
>refining capacity is kept intentionally low by regulations (I am guessing
>environmental).

We do have much fewer processing plants than you do for whatever reason. Definitely you don't want to build more of them than necessary due to
pollution issues so we got into doing this back and forth trading and
we both benefit from it to some extent.. at least we used to..

They mentioned on the news today that almost all of our trade routes
for highway, rail and oil pipelines run North South, to trade with
you rather than with the rest of Canada. There is talk of totally
changing that as well. We have more trade restrictions between
provinces here than we do for trading with the USA.. The problem
with this is, once changes are made, even if your next President
reverses the bad ideas, the changes we make to survive them may
stay permanent now that we see that the trusting relationship we
have had with the USA can be changed on a whim..
We will always deal with you due to proximity but likely do less
trade and do more with the rest of the world.

Fortunately this is his last term and I fear he is trying

>> to do something to really stand out in the history books more than
>> it actually being something to 'make America Great again'...

He should be trying to do good things to stand out. Not so sure that idea

>has sunk in, though. :( If it were me, I would prefer not to be known as
>the President who ruined Canadian-American relations. I guess he maybe has
>other ideas.

Yes, really.. I suppose for him it will be a win-win though no matter
which way it goes. He'll be famous for doing something amazing or for
(more likely) doing so much damage he'll be held up forever as the
prime example of what Not to do.. B)
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My niece is a teacher in younger grades, K to 3, and she's

>> been punched and hit with objects by 'problem' kids and the school
>> system does nothing about it other than tell her she CAN NOT ever grab
>> a kid to stop them.

From what I can tell, at least this part is the same here also. :(

That really sucks.. Teachers have a hard enough job without having to
be afraid of their students. In the good old days if a kid did something
like that the parents would be told to come pick them up and, if they
couldn't, the police would get involved..

The current system is literally training kids that they can do anything
they want with no consequences. Great education for when they get out
into the real world..
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Originally we did think that the Canada as the 51st state was a bit
of a joke, but he seems to be getting more and more serious about it
all the time.

I'm sure it was a deliberate head-fake, get people agitated about

> something he's not going to do as cover for DOGE. But, Trump can't back
> down - he doubles down.

Yes, he has some really unfortunate habits for someone who is supposed
to help your country deal with the rest of the world. When he first
came to power last time people on the 'inside' down there told our
news services that Trump was Really unhappy that he didn't have the
power of a dictator. They said it came as a surprise to him. This
may be why he admires Putin so much.. B)

I liked the analysis that admitting Canada into the union would result

> in 13 more significantly progressive states and could skew any future
> elections. If we have elections again.

Doesn't he know that we are almost all Lefties here? B)

And yes, another thing Putin did that Trump would probably love to
do is cancel elections and stay in power for life.

Trump, this time around even more, seems beholden. To Putin, Greenland

>and Canada are key to the Atlantic ocean. It seems like DOGE's end game
>is to privatize the government to the benefit of billionaires. Any
>market crash helps those with money buy distressed assets at a
>discount, and lets him "save" us. Remember his mantra last time - only I
>can save government? This time, he bears responsibility for it, being
>president for 4 of the last 8 years. His cabinet resemble syncophant goons
>who have claimed loyalty to Trump, not the constitution.

He does seem to have had better luck this time getting all Yes- people
to work for him.

The gov't will collect the tariffs as income and the amount of them

> RM> will just get passed down to the regular consumers in higher prices
> RM> so it acts more like a tax on almost everything you buy.

But it sounds like if he could arrange it at all Trump would like

> RM> the USA to take over Canada, Greenland, Panama and the Gaza strip.

In Canada, what is the general feeling as to why Trump wants Canada

> >to join with the USA?

We have a lot of rare minerals and natural resources that we sell to

> RM> you and of the oil you import, 60% of it comes from Canada. Trump was
> RM> talking about a $200 Billion trade deficit with Canada - us selling
> RM> you that much more than you sell us - but they looked at that up here
> RM> and found if you remove Oil from that figure, which we actually sell
> RM> to you at 20% less than the going market rates, then you actually
> RM> end up with a small trade surplus. Someone said a while back that if
> RM> the Tariff war comes through and affects oil that Americans can
> RM> expect to pay about an extra $10 to fill their tanks.

Canada and the USA have one of the best relationships in the world

> RM> with the longest undefended border in the world. We generally like
> RM> each other and our trade back and forth is a huge part of both of
> RM> our economies so I hope that Trump doesn't do anything to mess that
> RM> up more than he already has (tourism and cross border shopping is
> RM> way down and we are booing each others national anthems at sporting
> RM> events). Fortunately this is his last term and I fear he is trying
> RM> to do something to really stand out in the history books more than
> RM> it actually being something to 'make America Great again'...
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How do you see Trump favoring the rich?

It was just reported that he has promissed big tax cuts to the rich
and that he expected to use the tariffs to pay for it.

I haven't heard about that promise, but are they referring to corporations?

>Tax cuts for corporations can lead to good things for average Americans, and
>it can prevent them from taking their business overseas.

The way it was said was he would make the Billionairs even richer,
although one thing may affect both to some extent.

But prices can't stay this high or wages will catch up to match.
I bought my first place on a high too and, although prices didn't
drop, they didn't go up any more for the next 8 or so years either
so the incomes eventually caught up with the costs.

Incomes catching up with costs sounds like a fairy tale. Does that really hap

>? I've never seen it happen before.

It's a lot harder this time around I will admit although one person I
know totally on disability was able to buy a lower priced house and
carry it on his income. Disability pays a little more than minimum
wage here, but not much.

Actually, that may be wrong.. It pays more than the minimum pension
pays seniors but probably not as much as minimum wage which in Ontario
for a 40 hour week pays almost $36,000 a year.

For a while one principal had removed all books
from the school library that had white people in them. I had to ask
her twice to clarify that, and that's correct. They only had books
there that had minority characters in them. Fortunately the next
principal a couple of years later backed off on that.

Similar events have taken place here. The left used to complain about equalit

>and now that we've achieved that, they seem to be taking us back to inequalit
>nce more.

Yes, anything taken to extremes does harm. If you benefit one group
another suffers. You'd think by now we could strive for treating
everyone fairly, with penalties for not doing that, rather than
trying to swing things 100% to greatly benefit a different group
while harming someone else..

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The current system is literally training kids that they can do anything they want with no consequences. Great education for when they get out
into the real world..

(I'm butting-in to a conversation between you and Mike)

I want to point out that that same "training program" is taking place for adults here in the USA too, especially in liberal states like New York. People can punch a cop in the face, go to jail, and be assaulting women in the park later that same evening.

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>> Horton's in Kingston, and you want to buy that place. How would you ever af
>> it? And that is the cheapest home in the whole city.

Our minimum wage here is now $17.20 an hour.. does that help? B)

Probably means that the cost of living has also gone up, right? ;)

I hate to tell you this, but if you work at Tim Horton's in a US city (or

>IHOP or McDonald's or wherever), you probably are not going to be able to
>afford the cheapest home in your own city, either. Certainly not one that
>is not in a run-down, likely crime-ridden part of town.

There's no question housing is out of control at the moment but we have
an election coming up and they are all planning (?) to do something
about housing prices. Have to wait and see..

If it is like here, they will waste a bunch of time renaming stuff and
pissing off their neighbors, which will make the rabidly loyal happy enough that they won't notice that Rome is still burning.

Those of us who were already owners can sit back and reap the rewards
I suppose, as long as you're not planning on moving to a bigger place
or to a bigger city.

True. Neither of those is currently on my bingo card.

Now, another 18 years later, a recent estimate of value I got last
summer from a property manager in the area said our property here
is now worth roughly $1.2 million, even though the buildings on it,
being small and old, are virtually worthless.

Isn't real estate fun? B)

Yes, it is! The house I am in now originally sold (IIRC, in 1968) for
$16,000. Needless to say, I paid a whole lot more for it in the 2000s. ;)

Mike

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They mentioned on the news today that almost all of our trade routes
for highway, rail and oil pipelines run North South, to trade with
you rather than with the rest of Canada. There is talk of totally
changing that as well.

Part of that might have something to do with how your population is spread
out, the climate, and the geography. IIRC, there is only one highway that
runs E-W that connects all the provinces, and only one or maybe two rail
lines. The Great Lakes get in the way of running too many of either across Ontario and hitting an area that is actually populated. If you go much
farther north than Lake Superior, there really are not many people up
there, and maintaining the roads in the kind of winter weather that would
be received would be a large, and expensive, effort.

In the case of rail, I suppose the corridors that exist could be double or triple tracked to allow more trains to go E-W.

I think the western provinced may have more than one highway link but,
IIRC, the lakes are a bottleneck area.

We have more trade restrictions between
provinces here than we do for trading with the USA.. The problem
with this is, once changes are made, even if your next President
reverses the bad ideas, the changes we make to survive them may
stay permanent now that we see that the trusting relationship we
have had with the USA can be changed on a whim..
We will always deal with you due to proximity but likely do less
trade and do more with the rest of the world.

My opinion is that Canada (and Mexico and probably everyone else) really
needs to start planning long-term to do their own thing and not rely on us
as much. It is going to get to the point where what the USA is doing is
likely going to swing wildly every 4 to 8 years and, if I were in another country, I would certainly not want our economic well being tied to that.

He should be trying to do good things to stand out. Not so sure that idea

>has sunk in, though. :( If it were me, I would prefer not to be known as
>the President who ruined Canadian-American relations. I guess he maybe

as

>other ideas.

Yes, really.. I suppose for him it will be a win-win though no matter
which way it goes. He'll be famous for doing something amazing or for
(more likely) doing so much damage he'll be held up forever as the
prime example of what Not to do.. B)

Maybe his plan is to break a bunch of stuff so that only his administration
can fix it. ;)

Mike


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Yes, anything taken to extremes does harm. If you benefit one group
another suffers. You'd think by now we could strive for treating
everyone fairly, with penalties for not doing that, rather than
trying to swing things 100% to greatly benefit a different group
while harming someone else..

This exactly. US politics, for at least 15+ years now, has been more about gaining power and making "the other side" suffer or, at least, very
unhappy, than it is about actually doing what is right for the country as a whole.

Politicians who are sensible get weeded out early in favor of the more polarizing ones.

If I were looking for a conspiracy, I would be looking at who benefits from this. China, Russia, the online press, and social media are all good
starts but I suspect there are others who benefit that are not so evident.


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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

It might have been funny when it was first suggested (like funny
stupid), but now that they are insisting on it, it is not really funny.
Sort of like the press secretary's crack about the "51st state" before the recent hockey match.

And, calling Trudeau "Governor". If the goal is to destabilize the
country and alienate the world, we're right on track.




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Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

He does seem to have had better luck this time getting all Yes- people
to work for him.

He had 4 years avoiding jail to organize them.



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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Aaron Thomas to Rob Mccart on Sat Feb 22 2025 08:21 am

People can punch a cop in the face, go to jail, and be assaulting women in the park later that same evening.

I'll take "things that never happened", for $200, Alex.
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And, calling Trudeau "Governor". If the goal is to destabilize the
country and alienate the world, we're right on track.

Calling white people "the greatest threat to homeland security" was Biden's way of doing that, along with being a senile gaffe expert on the world stage.

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People can punch a cop in the face, go to jail, and be assaulting women the park later that same evening.

I'll take "things that never happened", for $200, Alex.

Ok, correction: he assaulted a woman in midtown Manhattan in July of 2022, posted bail, assaulted the female police officer on August 9 of 2024, was granted bail on October 17 of 2024, then on February 15 of this year he assaulted another woman in Times Square.

If you want to fight for his rights, there's an address you can send a check to.

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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Mike Powell to ROB MCCART on Sat Feb 22 2025 10:53 am

We have more trade restrictions between provinces here than we do for
trading with the USA.. The problem with this is, once changes are made, eve
if your next President reverses the bad ideas, the changes we make to
survive them may stay permanent now that we see that the trusting
relationship we have had with the USA can be changed on a whim.. We will
always deal with you due to proximity but likely do less trade and do more
with the rest of the world.

The supply chain disruptions these tarriffs will cause are disrupting trade agreements and assumptions that countries are operating in good faith to continue trade.

Resetting them will be a massive undertaking and will take a long time. And, we won't be able to switch back. I fear that this is a permanent change.
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It might have been funny when it was first suggested (like funny stupid), but now that they are insisting on it, it is not really funny.
Sort of like the press secretary's crack about the "51st state" before the recent hockey match.

And, calling Trudeau "Governor". If the goal is to destabilize the
country and alienate the world, we're right on track.

The wild thing is that Trudeau didn't seem real popular and is resigning.
There are people on FIDO who were pretty down on him that, thanks to Trump, have really rallied around him (or at least their country).

Trump may have saved Trudeau's place in history... which I am pretty sure
was not his intention.


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By: Mike Powell to ROB MCCART on Sat Feb 22 2025 10:53 am

We have more trade restrictions between provinces here than we do for
trading with the USA.. The problem with this is, once changes are made, ev
if your next President reverses the bad ideas, the changes we make to
survive them may stay permanent now that we see that the trusting
relationship we have had with the USA can be changed on a whim.. We will
always deal with you due to proximity but likely do less trade and do more
with the rest of the world.

The supply chain disruptions these tarriffs will cause are disrupting trade agreements and assumptions that countries are operating in good faith to continue trade.

Resetting them will be a massive undertaking and will take a long time. And, w
won't be able to switch back. I fear that this is a permanent change.

You replied to me but quoted only Rob. I agree they will be difficult to switch back. My opinion is that each country needs to do what is best for them. Since Canada especially didn't deserve a screwing over, IMHO, if
what they decide to do screws us over in return I cannot blame them one bit.

Sounds like, at the very least, it might get them moving towards making
trade easier between their own provinces which, in the long run, would be
of benefit to Canada and maybe even their international trade partners.


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People in the San Francisco bay area know that if they move away, they
can never afford to move back. I moved in 2015 to the California coast -
I'm close enough that I can commute when needed, but wouldn't *want* to
move back - laid-back beach culture is priceless, but we're seeing more
and more people moving from Silicon Valley out here now that
telecommuting is more of a thing.

Somewhat OT but are most of the Silicon Valley businesses still allowing telecommuting? You sometimes see articles about places that are pulling everyone back in, and they are often tech companies, so it is good to hear
it is still "a thing."

Mike


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There's already a movement to change the constitution to allow a 3rd
term, tactically written to disallow Obama from running again.

Wouldn't the states (i.e. the people in them) have to vote on any
adaptation of an ammendment to the Constitution? I seem to remember that
being a thing when the ERA was being voted on.


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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Mike Powell to KURT WEISKE on Sun Feb 23 2025 10:18 am

Somewhat OT but are most of the Silicon Valley businesses still allowing telecommuting? You sometimes see articles about places that are pulling everyone back in, and they are often tech companies, so it is good to hear i is still "a thing."

Companies are posturing to have workers return to office, but I still see a lot of empty parking lots and empty lunch places in the San Jose/Santa Clara area.
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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Mike Powell to KURT WEISKE on Sun Feb 23 2025 10:20 am

Wouldn't the states (i.e. the people in them) have to vote on any adaptation of an ammendment to the Constitution? I seem to remember that being a thing when the ERA was being voted on.

2/3s of both houses have to pass a proposed amendment, followed by a vote of 3/4 of the states. Or, 2/3s of the state legislatures could ask Congress to enact a constitutional convention.

With Trump's bluster of "Blue States Going Away", and his penchant for forcing people to stop him from doing something, I wouldn't be surprised to see something happen - or for him to appear as a write-in candidate, pre-written in, or some such thing.
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The current system is literally training kids that they can do anything they want with no consequences. Great education for when they get out
into the real world..

(I'm butting-in to a conversation between you and Mike)

Open to all.. B)

I want to point out that that same "training program" is taking place for adu

> here in the USA too, especially in liberal states like New York. People can
>ch a cop in the face, go to jail, and be assaulting women in the park later t
> same evening.

This is true.. and I probably should not mention that the race of the
offender often has a big affect on that, the opposite affect it had
20 years ago probably..

You hear a lot of, these 'poor' people can't afford bail so we should
let them out without posting bail..

And lets not get into the recent shop lifting parties going on..
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There's no question housing is out of control at the moment but we have

>> an election coming up and they are all planning (?) to do something
>> about housing prices. Have to wait and see..

If it is like here, they will waste a bunch of time renaming stuff and

>pissing off their neighbors, which will make the rabidly loyal happy enough
>that they won't notice that Rome is still burning.

I don't know if it's universal but I believe you guys can write off
your mortgage payments (or interest?) against your income at tax time
which saves you a lot of money.

Here our advantage is your *Principal* residence can be sold at a
huge profit without any Capital Gains tax involved.

What they will probably do to lower prices is, cut immigration so
there isn't as much os a shortage of housing, cut taxes or even give
grants to builders putting up housing that will sell cheaper, which
should force all prices down some, and they may come up with something
like charging Capital Gains tax on, say, anything over $200,000, of
profit you made when you sold your house, and use that money to
encourage those lower cost builders (in a perfect world).

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They mentioned on the news today that almost all of our trade routes

>> for highway, rail and oil pipelines run North South, to trade with
>> you rather than with the rest of Canada. There is talk of totally
>> changing that as well.

Part of that might have something to do with how your population is spread

>out, the climate, and the geography. IIRC, there is only one highway that
>runs E-W that connects all the provinces, and only one or maybe two rail
>lines. The Great Lakes get in the way of running too many of either across
>Ontario and hitting an area that is actually populated. If you go much
>farther north than Lake Superior, there really are not many people up
>there, and maintaining the roads in the kind of winter weather that would
>be received would be a large, and expensive, effort.

The Great Lakes are more or less a border between our countries, so
to the furthest points south. You do have to move up a bit to get over
them but the rest of Canada West of Ontario is actually all further
North than those lakes. But you were right about population centres.
Ontario has a great deal of the population, resources and manufacturing
and, until you get far out West, the provinces between are mostly
farming areas with some having a little or a lot of oil. But, back to
where we started, about 2/3 of the country is West of the Great Lakes
so are not affected..

My opinion is that Canada (and Mexico and probably everyone else) really

>needs to start planning long-term to do their own thing and not rely on us
>as much.

Probably a good idea but for 50+ years our relationship has benefitted
both countries with stable, reasonably wealthy, markets and shared manufacturing and it would be a shame to lose that situation..

We are used to the rest of the world being unstable but were always
able tp rely on our closest neighbours..
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That really sucks.. Teachers have a hard enough job without having to

>> be afraid of their students. In the good old days if a kid did something
>> like that the parents would be told to come pick them up and, if they
>> couldn't, the police would get involved..

When I was in school that was *mostly* true. There were certain "types" of

>kids that they either were not allowed to do too much to, or they just went
>easier on them "because." If they caused enough trouble, or were a threat to
>do physical harm, they did get handled, though.

Yes, when I was in school if you acted out you got put into a small
room by yourself or put out in the hall for a while, face against the
wall sort of thing but that's considered cruel these days so, if you
can't send the kids home, what can you do with the ones with serious
problems, disruptive and possibly dangerous to the rest of the class?
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He does seem to have had better luck this time getting all Yes- people
to work for him.

He had 4 years avoiding jail to organize them.

This is true.. and one of the scary things going on right now is he seems
to be replacing all the top military people from all services and the
only reason I can think he would do that is so he has people in charge
of the military that will do Anything he tells them to do without question.
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And some modular home parks (like big trailers without wheels?)
sell for from not much over $100,000 to $200,000 but you lease the
land and the value is in the location. If the place closes down you virtually lose it all. You'd be lucky to get $15,000 for the home,
which would have to be moved.

I've heard more and more stories about parks being sold out from under

>the tenants, and tenants buying the park and turning them into a co-op.
>Great idea, I hope it works out for them.

Usually that happens in parks that are close to bigger cities up here
and they are making probably millions a year on the lot leases, and
then get an offer from a builder so high that it's worth it for them
to sell instead, but that same situation usually makes the value of
the land too high for the residents to buy - keeping in mind that
those places tend to draw lower income people in the first place.

Housing has been the primary means of the middle class accumulating

>wealth - and people still assume values are going to rise.

They keep rising, with a few bumps, but they used to do it a lot more
slowly and reliably. Prices in some areas here have dropped by 20% to
30% in the past 2 to 3 years after the big increase earlier.

If the prices

>drop across the board, you're going to get a lot more underground
>mortgages, more foreclosures, and more investment banks buying
>single-family homes to drive the price up - which should be illegal.

Yes, that sort of thing actually bankrupted a lot of banks in the USA
a few years back. Our banks in Canada are bigger and generally better
protected and maybe more conservative so we rarely see big problems
with them, not that a few haven't had a few bad years now and then.

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There's already a movement to change the constitution to allow a 3rd

>term, tactically written to disallow Obama from running again. Who
>knows what's going to happen after 3 years of Trump to make beating him
>impossible (more unfettered voter suppression? Disallow married women
>from voting due to "documentation inconsistencies"? More jerrymandering?
>Tampering with electronic voting devices? Prohibiting mail-in voting?
>Destroying the USPS? Or just declaring by executive order that elections
>are cancelled? He's got the immunity now, thanks to the supreme court he
>and McConnell ushered in...)

Wow.. scary stuff.. And it brings to mind Putin who after being elected President of Russia, one of the first things he did was abolish the
law that said he could only stay in power for 8 years.. And it's handy
when you can just kill or imprison anyone who wants to run against you.

I think that's why Trump likes him so much.. B)

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I don't know if it's universal but I believe you guys can write off
your mortgage payments (or interest?) against your income at tax time
which saves you a lot of money.

We can write off interest *but* it is only really a benefit early on in your mortgage, when the interest payments are higher. In KY you can do that on
your state taxes, too. It has not been of any benefit to me for several
years now as my mortgage is 10+ yrs old.

Here our advantage is your *Principal* residence can be sold at a
huge profit without any Capital Gains tax involved.

That *is* nice. ;)


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Kurt Weiske <=-

And, calling Trudeau "Governor". If the goal is to destabilize the
country and alienate the world, we're right on track.

Calling white people "the greatest threat to homeland security" was Biden's way of doing that, along with being a senile gaffe expert on
the world stage.

Well, arguably so. Most mass shootings the US are perpetrated by a white
male, but PM Trudeau us not a "governor".



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Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

I don't know if it's universal but I believe you guys can write off
your mortgage payments (or interest?) against your income at tax time which saves you a lot of money.

In the US, it's interest payments that are a tax deduction.

Here our advantage is your *Principal* residence can be sold at a
huge profit without any Capital Gains tax involved.

Yeah, that's where it gets muddy with short term and long term capital
gains - I think there's a loophole somewhere if you use the proceeds of
a primary residence to buy another primary residence.

What they will probably do to lower prices is, cut immigration so
there isn't as much os a shortage of housing, cut taxes or even give grants to builders putting up housing that will sell cheaper, which
should force all prices down some, and they may come up with something like charging Capital Gains tax on, say, anything over $200,000, of
profit you made when you sold your house, and use that money to
encourage those lower cost builders (in a perfect world).

I'm pretty pessimistic about attempts to lower housing costs. The administration has extending the 2017 tax cuts a priority, so cutting
taxes on the middle class would hamper that effort. Housing is a
high-stakes, high-income game, I don't know how popular a grant program
for market-rate housing would go.

With current income, you have people retiring with well paid-off
mortgages, and unfortunately quite a few people who'd take a haircut if
they sold because of either their existing mortgage or the current
rates. I refinanced at the bottom, I know I'm not making any lateral
moves! :)

Once the market dips, then you have people underwater on their
mortgages. You may see people letting the banks forclose, causing more uncertainty and instability in the market.

It's easy on the way up, difficult to bring prices back down.

Landlords aren't any better - rents are a trailing indicator. Around
here, it takes a long time for rents to start coming down, you'll see
landlords convinced that the apartment they rented for $2000, then
bumped the price up to $3200, is still worth that when the market cools.



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Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

Probably a good idea but for 50+ years our relationship has benefitted both countries with stable, reasonably wealthy, markets and shared manufacturing and it would be a shame to lose that situation..

We are used to the rest of the world being unstable but were always
able tp rely on our closest neighbours..

Yes, and those 50+ year old supply chains will take a while to route
around us, and if this all goes away, take years to recover - if at all.

I hope that we move past the MAGA/Trump movement somehow, but fear that
it may take a long time for our reputation to recover.



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Mike Powell wrote to ROB MCCART <=-

Here our advantage is your *Principal* residence can be sold at a
huge profit without any Capital Gains tax involved.

That *is* nice. ;)

Yeah, one of the questions I need to answer about a potential move out
of the country is capital gains on a house sale. We're potentially
downsizing and would like to pocket the difference to help fund our
retirement. I'm wondering if it might make more sense to buy a bigger
house to potentially market as a B&B, get the money overseas, then
downsize.

I need to hire a money guy, stat.



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> here in the USA too, especially in liberal states like New York. Peopl
>ch a cop in the face, go to jail, and be assaulting women in the park l
>t
> same evening.

This is true.. and I probably should not mention that the race of the offender often has a big affect on that, the opposite affect it had
20 years ago probably..

We've taken a sharp left turn in New York State since about 2019, but I don't think we're that far yet (letting minorities out of jail first?) But shhh let's not talk about that because we might jinx it :)

You hear a lot of, these 'poor' people can't afford bail so we should
let them out without posting bail..

That's almost exactly what my state representative said to me when I complained about it. Equality is in the trash, now they've replaced that word with "equity" (but of course this isn't a bank!)

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And, calling Trudeau "Governor". If the goal is to destabilize the country and alienate the world, we're right on track.

Calling white people "the greatest threat to homeland security" was Biden's way of doing that, along with being a senile gaffe expert on the world stage.

Well, arguably so. Most mass shootings the US are perpetrated by a white male, but PM Trudeau us not a "governor".

Most single shootings in the US are perpetrated by a black male, but you don't see Trump calling black people "the greatest threat to homeland security."

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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Aaron Thomas to Kurt Weiske on Mon Feb 24 2025 10:46 am

Most single shootings in the US are perpetrated by a black male, but you don't see Trump calling black people "the greatest threat to homeland security."

I'm sure he does, just not out loud.
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Hello Kurt!

[...] but you don't see Trump calling black people "the
greatest threat to homeland security."

I'm sure he does, just not out loud.

Ah.. but I think T *does* think out loud.

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The wild thing is that Trudeau didn't seem real popular and is resigning.

>There are people on FIDO who were pretty down on him that, thanks to Trump,
>have really rallied around him (or at least their country).

Trump may have saved Trudeau's place in history... which I am pretty sure

>was not his intention.

I suppose you have a place in History if you've run the country for
several elections, although what they write About you can vary..
(Trump may find out about that some day..) B)

Trudeau definitely had his issues but the Liberal Party popularity is
gaining strength fairly rapidly now that he is being replaced.

Not sure if it's too little too late or not though..
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Wouldn't the states (i.e. the people in them) have to vote on any adaptati

> > of an ammendment to the Constitution? I seem to remember that being a thi
> > when the ERA was being voted on.

2/3s of both houses have to pass a proposed amendment, followed by a vote of

> of the states. Or, 2/3s of the state legislatures could ask Congress to enac
> constitutional convention.

With Trump's bluster of "Blue States Going Away", and his penchant for forcin

>eople to stop him from doing something, I wouldn't be surprised to see someth
> happen - or for him to appear as a write-in candidate, pre-written in, or so
>such thing.

I could be wrong but I believe your laws say that a person can only
run for President twice for their party, but can run again, possibly
for one more term, as an independant. (?)

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Yeah, one of the questions I need to answer about a potential move out
of the country is capital gains on a house sale. We're potentially
downsizing and would like to pocket the difference to help fund our retirement. I'm wondering if it might make more sense to buy a bigger
house to potentially market as a B&B, get the money overseas, then
downsize.

I need to hire a money guy, stat.

I suspect that there are a lot of deals that sound good until the taxes,
hidden fees, etc., creep into the picture. Best to research it or get someone you can trust who knows all the ins and outs.


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Trump may have saved Trudeau's place in history... which I am pretty sure

>was not his intention.

I suppose you have a place in History if you've run the country for
several elections, although what they write About you can vary..
(Trump may find out about that some day..) B)

After his reaction to the 2020 election loss, and what was written, he
should have figured that out already. :D


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And, calling Trudeau "Governor". If the goal is to destabilize the country and alienate the world, we're right on track.

Calling white people "the greatest threat to homeland security" was Biden's way of doing that, along with being a senile gaffe expert on
the world stage.

Well, arguably so. Most mass shootings the US are perpetrated by a white male, but PM Trudeau us not a "governor".

Except I don't think Biden was talking about mass shooters, who are often mentally unbalanced and usually act alone. I got the impression his statement was made on the subject of terror groups, i.e. those that don't act alone and that often strike on much larger scales than mass shooters.

While there are groups like that in the US for sure, not all of them are conservative (or necessarily even white). Between February 2020 and
February 2021, we saw plenty of violence and destruction from both sides of
the political spectrum. To single out one side, at a point in time shortly after that period, was at the very least short-sighted and misleading.


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Ok, correction: he assaulted a woman in midtown Manhattan in July of 2022, posted bail, assaulted the female police officer on August 9 of 2024, was granted bail on October 17 of 2024, then on February 15 of this year he assaulted another woman in Times Square.

Thank you for citing this one isolated incident that supports your claim.

Here is a better one. If you google "usa likelihood violent offenders
repeat," the first non-AI response you will get is from the United States Sentencing Commission.

They say that "63.8% of violent offenders recidivated by being rearrested
for a new crime or for a violation of supervision conditions." They also
note that this is a higher rate than for non-violent offenders.

I am sure that a few of them are committing new acts of violence while in custody, but it sounds like a high percentage of them (nearly 2/3rds) are
in trouble again within ~8 years and I am guessing most of that nearly
2/3rds are ones who were released.

Note that this percentage is only for *federal* violent offenders.

Another link that shows up is from the NIH and was published in 2013. It claims that 1% of the population accounts for 63.2% of all convictions. It potes that "the majority of violent crimes are perpetrated by a small number
of *persistent* violent offenders." Persistent being a key word.

The NIH goes on to say that this group of persistent offender is typically
male and usually have a pattern of early-onset violent offenses, substance abuse, personality disorders, and also a history of non-violent offenses.

I mention the year in this last one as proof that it didn't come out in the last 6 weeks. Another important note is that, for whatever reason, the US
NIH was studying *Swedish* violent criminals and not US criminals. (???)

Back to the good ole USA and CNN has an article whose headline seems to contradict the US Sentencing Commission data. They claim that violent criminals are rarely rearrested "for the same offense."
That last bit may be key.


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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Rob Mccart to MIKE POWELL on Mon Feb 24 2025 01:53:00

They mentioned on the news today that almost all of our trade routes

My opinion is that Canada (and Mexico and probably everyone else) really

>> needs to start planning long-term to do their own thing and not rely on us as much.

We are used to the rest of the world being unstable but were always able tp rely on our closest
neighbours..

You got that right. I thnik we have some strange times ahead. :-(

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I don't know if it's universal but I believe you guys can write off

>> your mortgage payments (or interest?) against your income at tax time
>> which saves you a lot of money.

We can write off interest *but* it is only really a benefit early on in your

>mortgage, when the interest payments are higher. In KY you can do that on
>your state taxes, too. It has not been of any benefit to me for several
>years now as my mortgage is 10+ yrs old.

But if your mortgage is over 25 or 30 years there still must be a
fair amount going to interest. In any case, just to toss out some
random figures, if you have a $250,000 mortgage at 6% over 25 years
you would over that time pay $229,855 in interest that you wrote off
at some point.

Here our advantage is your *Principal* residence can be sold at a

>> huge profit without any Capital Gains tax involved.

That *is* nice. ;)

Do you pay tax on the amount your house goes up in value if you
sell it?

A question off topic, which is funny considering the question..
Lots of conversations going on in the conference which is called
FI-Consprc. I assume FI is Fido? What is this area supposed to be
used to discuss?

If Consprc is short for Conspiracy then maybe some of this might
still be on topic.. B)

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Here our advantage is your *Principal* residence can be sold at a
huge profit without any Capital Gains tax involved.

Yeah, that's where it gets muddy with short term and long term capital

>gains - I think there's a loophole somewhere if you use the proceeds of
>a primary residence to buy another primary residence.

Yes, that would make sense, if you are buying UP immediately, you are
not taking any profit out of the sale of your old place

I'm pretty pessimistic about attempts to lower housing costs. The

>administration has extending the 2017 tax cuts a priority, so cutting
>taxes on the middle class would hamper that effort. Housing is a
>high-stakes, high-income game, I don't know how popular a grant program
>for market-rate housing would go.

We are in the middle of a Provincial election here, not the Federal one
that is getting all the publicity, to elect the next Provincial Premier,
which is like a State Governor in the USA I suppose..

We have 3 Major parties here and a number of little ones that will
never accomplish more than getting a few seats at the table to
complain about what the people in power are doing. One of those
called the Green Party is advertising at the moment that, if elected,
they will change the tax and fee system on house purchases for first
time buyers that will save them $150,000 on that house. No exact
details given but that's the sort of thing being bantered about..

Landlords aren't any better - rents are a trailing indicator. Around

>here, it takes a long time for rents to start coming down, you'll see
>landlords convinced that the apartment they rented for $2000, then
>bumped the price up to $3200, is still worth that when the market cools.

Yes, generally they are the last to lower prices unless they just can't
find anyone to pay that much... But, that said, in most of the country
unless you make major upgrades to a rental property you cannot raise
the rent more than a few percent a year, 2.5% here at the moment but
mostly that means a lot of apartment building type landlords are
suddenly finding it necessary to do major renovations to the building,
often tossing everyone living there out first (with notice)..

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The Great Lakes are more or less a border between our countries, so
to the furthest points south.

We know that the Canadians were involved in the sinking of the Edmund

> Fitzgerald as part of operation Wet Poutine, it started a clandestine
> war that lasts to this day. We just can't prove it, yet.

I only know the Gordon Lightfoot version of that story.. B)

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We are used to the rest of the world being unstable but were always
able tp rely on our closest neighbours..

Yes, and those 50+ year old supply chains will take a while to route

>around us, and if this all goes away, take years to recover - if at all.

I hope that we move past the MAGA/Trump movement somehow, but fear that

>it may take a long time for our reputation to recover.

Yes, you have had a reputation as being the World's Police, but not
really in a negative sense. More like rescuing nations in trouble.
If everything you start doing world wide starts to be based on what
appears to be Greed it will be hard to come back from that.
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can't send the kids home, what can you do with the ones with serious problems, disruptive and possibly dangerous to the rest of the class?

In the lower grades, my daughter had two kids in classes that were

>disruptive; the mothers volunteered as room "helpers" to help the
>teachers with the curriculum and to manage their kid. Not every child
>has a stay-at-home parent, I could imagine other schools fareing less
>well.

In theory, in most school systems, when you have a seriously.. I don't
want to say 'disabled' but I'm not sure what to call it.. Anyways, if
you have one of those 'problem' children they are supposed to have a
care giver for that child with them but, as with your example, at some
point it's just not possible to pay for that. My Niece has 5 children
with issues in her class (of about 25 kids) and 1 helper..
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This is true.. and I probably should not mention that the race of the offender often has a big affect on that, the opposite affect it had
20 years ago probably..

We've taken a sharp left turn in New York State since about 2019, but I don't

>ink we're that far yet (letting minorities out of jail first?) But shhh let's
>t talk about that because we might jinx it :)

That reminded me of something I read a couple of years back when they
were going nuts claiming that blacks were vastly discriminated against
because even though they only represented under 20% of the population
in New York, they made up 60% of those in prison. Some smart person
resonded to that (probably lost their job over it) that they looked
into the crime statistics and that 65% of the crime was done by black
people so they were actualy UNDER represented in prison..

You hear a lot of, these 'poor' people can't afford bail so we should

> RM> let them out without posting bail..

That's almost exactly what my state representative said to me when I complain

>about it. Equality is in the trash, now they've replaced that word with "equi
> (but of course this isn't a bank!)

Justice is supposed to be blind. It's paying way too much attention to
colour these days it seems.. Obviously the rich have certain advantges
over the poor but maybe what they should do is base things like bail
amounts on a percentage of the person's income or assets. A poor person, regardless of colour, would have a hard time raising $20,000 bail but
a millionaire probably spends that on coffee..

Maybe they need an AI system to decide bail and jail terms when a
person is found guilty to eliminate things like the rich getting
special treatment and even 'beautiful' people getting lesser
sentences than others..

That reminded me of another pet peeve of mine..
Victim impact statements in court before sentencing.

Is it fair that doing a crime against someone with few friends may
get you a lesser penalty than against someone with more friends
and/or family for doing the same crime?

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[...] but you don't see Trump calling black people "the

> >> greatest threat to homeland security."

I'm sure he does, just not out loud.

Ah.. but I think T *does* think out loud.

I dunno, he generally seems to say a lot of things out loud
without giving much thought to the consequences.. B)
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Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

I could be wrong but I believe your laws say that a person can only
run for President twice for their party, but can run again, possibly
for one more term, as an independant. (?)

Two terms only, but Trump has floated the notion that he was cheated out
of the 2020 election, so "it doesn't count", and someone in congress
floated a law allowing for a third term - ignoring that it's
constitutional law.

I could see the game plan saying in 2028 "I've still got more work to
do, no election this year..." and having enough hand-picked syncophants
(and the support of a republican majority in the house and senate) that
no one could stop him.



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Justice is supposed to be blind. It's paying way too much attention to colour these days it seems.. Obviously the rich have certain advantges

You're right that they put too much color on everything. Technicially we all are color-blind. There's no solid way to tell what color people are just by looking at them, and asking them doesn't prove anything either. The only sure thing is a DNA test, and we know that statisticians aren't conducting those.

Maybe they need an AI system to decide bail and jail terms when a
person is found guilty to eliminate things like the rich getting
special treatment and even 'beautiful' people getting lesser
sentences than others..

Setting bail based on income sounds like a good idea, but I honestly don't know what was wrong with the original system. My state rep said "The cash bail system wasn't fair to poor people," but the crimes they are accused of aren't fair to the crime victims.

Is it fair that doing a crime against someone with few friends may
get you a lesser penalty than against someone with more friends
and/or family for doing the same crime?

That's not fair at all, but that's how it goes sometimes.

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I suppose you have a place in History if you've run the country for

>> several elections, although what they write About you can vary..
>> (Trump may find out about that some day..) B)

After his reaction to the 2020 election loss, and what was written, he

>should have figured that out already. :D

Ha.. The biggest lie he tells was about how he won his first election
by a landslide. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump did but
the way voting districts work he won the election itself.

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We are used to the rest of the world being unstable but were

> always able to rely on our closest neighbours..

You got that right. I think we have some strange times ahead. :-(

Probably. I'm sure we can wait out whatever Trump comes up with
and it's not likely the next president will keep on with it but
they are saying we could lose more than a million jobs over it in
the mean time, depending on how many tariffs and the percentages.

Something the news mentioned today though is, the past couple of
times Trump has postponed starting his tariffs against Canada he
came up with his nice sounding reasons but the real reason is all
his rich buddies freaked out because the US Stock market started
to crash as the date closed in. It seems a lot of people realize
that this thing would do harm to Both countries, not just Canada.

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After his reaction to the 2020 election loss, and what was written, he

>should have figured that out already. :D

Ha.. The biggest lie he tells was about how he won his first election
by a landslide. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump did but
the way voting districts work he won the election itself.

I am sure we could find bigger ones, but I would rather not go looking. :D


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I could see the game plan saying in 2028 "I've still got more work to
do, no election this year..." and having enough hand-picked syncophants
(and the support of a republican majority in the house and senate) that
no one could stop him.

You are assuming he still has that majority in 2028. I'd not be so sure
about that.


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Something the news mentioned today though is, the past couple of
times Trump has postponed starting his tariffs against Canada he
came up with his nice sounding reasons but the real reason is all
his rich buddies freaked out because the US Stock market started
to crash as the date closed in. It seems a lot of people realize
that this thing would do harm to Both countries, not just Canada.

We have had a couple of record drop days recently, that is for sure. They blamed one on a job growth forecast, which a trade disruption could most certainly have an affect on.


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Aaron Thomas wrote to Rob Mccart <=-

Setting bail based on income sounds like a good idea, but I honestly
don't know what was wrong with the original system. My state rep said
"The cash bail system wasn't fair to poor people," but the crimes they
are accused of aren't fair to the crime victims.

No crimes are fair to the victims. Setting a bail system which some
people can participate in and others cannot based on income and wealth
is inherently unfair, and some would argue contributes to a higher
percentage of poor people being imprisoned than an equal number of rich
people accused of the same crime.

Then again, being able to afford private representation compared to a
public defender is another discussion.



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Rob Mccart wrote to MIKE POWELL <=-

Ha.. The biggest lie he tells was about how he won his first election
by a landslide. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump did but
the way voting districts work he won the election itself.

We've seen the end of the Age of Truth. Now, we've entered the Age of
the Gullible. Repeat the same lie and the populace will assume it's
true.

When I argued that Trump didn't win with a mandate either time, the
response was "He did, to me!".

Maybe we're one step away from idiocracy. Time to buy stock in Brawndo.



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No crimes are fair to the victims. Setting a bail system which some
people can participate in and others cannot based on income and wealth
is inherently unfair, and some would argue contributes to a higher percentage of poor people being imprisoned than an equal number of rich people accused of the same crime.

Then again, being able to afford private representation compared to a public defender is another discussion.

That's a good point, and it should be part of this discussion. It's related. What are they doing about that "systemic" and "disproportionate" problem?

Rich people can afford lawyers that specialize in winning, and poor people have access to a county-employee-public-defender. I wonder if Al Sharpton is aware of this?

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I could be wrong but I believe your laws say that a person can only
run for President twice for their party, but can run again, possibly
for one more term, as an independant. (?)

Two terms only, but Trump has floated the notion that he was cheated out

>of the 2020 election, so "it doesn't count", and someone in congress
>floated a law allowing for a third term - ignoring that it's
>constitutional law.

I see.. I don't know where I ran across that incorrect info on running
for a third term.

But I don't see Trump's logic that the 2020 election has any bearing
on the number of terms he can run for. If he'd won, that would have
been his last run and, since he lost, he got to run again this term..

I could see the game plan saying in 2028 "I've still got more work to

>do, no election this year..." and having enough hand-picked syncophants
>(and the support of a republican majority in the house and senate) that
>no one could stop him.

He could get some advice on how to do that from Putin..

There are always leaders we wish could stay in power longer and
others we can't wait to get rid of in any country with honest
elections. As you may have known or picked up, our Prime Ministers
can stay in power as long as they keep getting re-elected, for good
or for bad, but at least it's our choice. We've never had a problem
getting rid of a Prime Minister once the majority wanted him gone.

Maybe it's just part of living with the system for too many years
but these days it always seems to me that the choice is to pick
out the candidate you hate the least, the one who will do the
least amount of damage..

I generally hope for a minority gov't because they need the support
of another party to get anything done so it's less likely they can
do anything too radical.

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Justice is supposed to be blind. It's paying way too much attention to colour these days it seems..

You're right that they put too much color on everything. Technicially we all

> color-blind. There's no solid way to tell what color people are just by look
> at them, and asking them doesn't prove anything either. The only sure thing
>a DNA test, and we know that statisticians aren't conducting those.

I think in most cases if there's any prejudice against Colour, it is in
the eye of the beholder. If you look like a (choose your minority) they
will react as if that's what you are. There are a lot of singers and
actors who have worked hard to pass for white even though one of their
parents was black. Although they are changing their story now that it's
become Cool to be black..

Mariah Carey comes to mind.. It seems like for decades she avoided
being seen with her sister because her sister looks a lot more
Black than Mariah does..

Setting bail based on income sounds like a good idea, but I honestly don't kn

>what was wrong with the original system. My state rep said "The cash bail sys
> wasn't fair to poor people," but the crimes they are accused of aren't fair
>the crime victims.

Yes, the main thing that should be considered is how likely the person
is to not show up to court later or do other crimes while out on bail.

Without delving into the complexities of being poor, a lot of these
people will continue to do crimes as long as they are able since it's
their only source of income.

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Our green party in the USA doesn't do much more than appear at federal election time, take potential votes from the democratic candidate, then disappear until the next federal election.

People say that (just like they say the Libertarians steal Republican
votes) but has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe the folks voting for them are doing so because they think both major parties have lost touch?
This Presidential election, I voted for a third party, and I am guessing it
is one that "stole my vote from the Democrats." Truth is, had there only been two choices, I was certainly not going to vote for the rubbish that either
the Democrats or Republicans fielded.

I am tired of rewarding one side or the other for fielding the "less evil"
of the two top-party candidates. Even though the third party candidate and
I probably don't agree on policy, at least they seem competent,
responsible, reasonable, and were not a felon.


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There are always leaders we wish could stay in power longer and
others we can't wait to get rid of in any country with honest
elections. As you may have known or picked up, our Prime Ministers
can stay in power as long as they keep getting re-elected, for good
or for bad, but at least it's our choice. We've never had a problem
getting rid of a Prime Minister once the majority wanted him gone.

But didn't Trudeau actually "lose" the last election but then manage to put together a coalition government that kept him in power?


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> wasn't fair to poor people," but the crimes they are accused of aren't
>the crime victims.

Yes, the main thing that should be considered is how likely the person
is to not show up to court later or do other crimes while out on bail.

Without delving into the complexities of being poor, a lot of these
people will continue to do crimes as long as they are able since it's their only source of income.

I know I said "you're right that it should be based on income" but what you're saying now makes even more sense. It should be based on a bunch of other factors, like how likely they are to show up for court, how likely they are to re-offend, etc. Because life is not all about doing what's best for poor people. (I should explain it like that to my state rep.)

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Mike Powell wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

I am tired of rewarding one side or the other for fielding the "less
evil" of the two top-party candidates. Even though the third party candidate and I probably don't agree on policy, at least they seem competent, responsible, reasonable, and were not a felon.

While I see the minority parties siphoning votes from contending
parties, I do see the benefits of a vibrant multi-party system. It would
be great if there was a viable third party alternative. They'd probably
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Rob Mccart wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

actors who have worked hard to pass for white even though one of their parents was black. Although they are changing their story now that it's become Cool to be black..

Rashida Jones was invited to be one of the hosts at, I think it was a
music awards show. Youngsters complained about her not being black
"enough", not knowing her dad was Quincy Jones. Awkward!


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Ha.. The biggest lie he tells was about how he won his first election
by a landslide. Hillary actually got more votes than Trump did but
the way voting districts work he won the election itself.

We've seen the end of the Age of Truth. Now, we've entered the Age of

>the Gullible. Repeat the same lie and the populace will assume it's
>true.

When I argued that Trump didn't win with a mandate either time, the

>response was "He did, to me!".

Maybe we're one step away from idiocracy. Time to buy stock in Brawndo.

It's funny, those who support Trump are often near fanatical about it,
even people who his policies will hurt in the long run..

I watched the 'talk' that Trump had with the president of Ukraine,
Zelenskyy and, if it had been me, I'd have called Trump an asshole
and walked out. He's basically suggesting that Ukraine started the
war and that he's a dictator and that the only way out of it is for
them to hand over 20% of their country to Russia and agree to give
the USA exclusive rights to buy $500 Billion worth of various rare
materials from them and, in exchange, the USA will, in theory, not
let Russia take any more land from them.

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I am tired of rewarding one side or the other for fielding the "less evil" of the two top-party candidates. Even though the third party candidate and I probably don't agree on policy, at least they seem competent, responsible, reasonable, and were not a felon.

While I see the minority parties siphoning votes from contending
parties,

Again I disagree here. Maybe they do siphon people who believe they HAVE
to vote for SOMEONE, but I see those people as uninformed. If I am voting
for a third party, I am doing on purpose because the 2 major parties are
both busy screwing the pooch and I don't want that on my conscious. No
third party = no vote. There are plenty of local things going on to get me
to the polls, but I have no issues skipping a race where both choices suck.

I do see the benefits of a vibrant multi-party system. It would
be great if there was a viable third party alternative. They'd probably
need to occupy the center and leave the republicans and democrats at the fringes.

It is getting to the point where they would really need to occupy the
center because the 2 major parties are leaving a growing vacuum there.


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It's funny, those who support Trump are often near fanatical about it,
even people who his policies will hurt in the long run..

Funny thing, when I go on long vacations for some reason I always run into
at least one person who really wants to talk politics. From the fall of
2015, every one of them has been a Trump supporter. Here is the funny
thing... *any* of them that I have managed to accidentally get talking
about who they voted for in the past were *ALL* Obama voters at least one election.

IIRC, there are at least two Trump supporters, including at least one rabid MAGA, in the POLITICS echo who have also admitted to being past Obama
voters.

If someone can figure out why that is, they can probably win every election from now on. I suspect it has something to do with wanting someone they
see as powerful that will tell them what to think and do but that is only
part of it.

I watched the 'talk' that Trump had with the president of Ukraine,
Zelenskyy and, if it had been me, I'd have called Trump an asshole
and walked out. He's basically suggesting that Ukraine started the
war and that he's a dictator and that the only way out of it is for
them to hand over 20% of their country to Russia and agree to give
the USA exclusive rights to buy $500 Billion worth of various rare
materials from them and, in exchange, the USA will, in theory, not
let Russia take any more land from them.

I think that is sort of what Zelenskyy did. He left without attending the presser afterwards and without signing the agreement. If I were him, I
would not sign it. I would pull a Carlos Slim and find another partner
(maybe China) who would help them vs. Russia and who might also like their minerals.


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While I see the minority parties siphoning votes from contending
parties, I do see the benefits of a vibrant multi-party system. It would be great if there was a viable third party alternative. They'd probably need to occupy the center and leave the republicans and democrats at the fringes.

The third party is the Republicans and the Democrats. They're interchangeable, and whichever one you vote for, he/she/they will do precisely what the world elite wants them to do (Except for Trump.)

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IIRC, there are at least two Trump supporters, including at least one rabid MAGA, in the POLITICS echo who have also admitted to being past Obama voters.

If someone can figure out why that is, they can probably win every election from now on. I suspect it has something to do with wanting

That sounds a lot like me. I nearly voted for Obama in 2012 because he promised something that I needed, but then he didn't deliver.

I voted for Trump in 2016 mostly because of Obama's betrayal. But then I voted for Trump in 2020 because of his proven results, and again for the same reason in 2024.

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While I see the minority parties siphoning votes from contending parties, I do see the benefits of a vibrant multi-party system. It would be great if there was a viable third party alternative. They'd probably need to occupy the center and leave the republicans and democrats at the fringes.

The third party is the Republicans and the Democrats. They're interchangeable,
and whichever one you vote for, he/she/they will do precisely what the world elite wants them to do (Except for Trump.)

I think that Trump is doing exactly what some of the World's elite wants... different elites, but elites nonetheless. At the very least, he is doing things that will line his and Elon's pockets... as the richest man in the World, Elon is about as elite as one can get.


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The third party is the Republicans and the Democrats. They're interchangeable,
and whichever one you vote for, he/she/they will do precisely what the w elite wants them to do (Except for Trump.)

I think that Trump is doing exactly what some of the World's elite wants... different elites, but elites nonetheless. At the very least,
he is doing things that will line his and Elon's pockets... as the
richest man in the World, Elon is about as elite as one can get.

How are Trump and Musk going to profit from their roles?

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But didn't Trudeau actually "lose" the last election but then manage to put

>together a coalition government that kept him in power?

He won the election but didn't get a majority which, as I mentioned
elsewhere, stops him from being able to do much of anything without
another party backing him up to get a majority VOTE for things to
go through. Generally the only way to get another party to back you
up is to agree to do something for the people that THEY wanted to do
if elected.

He ended up with a semi permanent deal with the National Democratic
Party who had 25 seats, more than enough to get things through, but
they insisted on a few things like free dental care for seniors and
kids under 12 I think it was, with plans to eventually phase that in
for everyone below a certain income level eventually.

He needed 170 seats out of 338 for a majority and he only got 160,
but that meant that 3 other parties had enough seats to make deals
backing him up. The biggest competition, the Progressive Conservative
party, came in second with 119 seats in that election so you can see
that the vast majority vote for those 2 main parties.

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wasn't fair to poor people," but the crimes they are accused of aren't

> the crime victims.

Yes, the main thing that should be considered is how likely the person
is to not show up to court later or do other crimes while out on bail.

Without delving into the complexities of being poor, a lot of these
people will continue to do crimes as long as they are able since it's
their only source of income.

I know I said "you're right that it should be based on income" but what you'r

>aying now makes even more sense. It should be based on a bunch of other facto
> like how likely they are to show up for court, how likely they are to re-off
>, etc. Because life is not all about doing what's best for poor people. (I sh
>d explain it like that to my state rep.)

It's a complex problem for a lot of reasons. Even for serious crimes a
person might kill someone, but had a good reason for going after that
one person and are no threat to the rest of society. Should they be
treated differently than someone who is a more general threat?

An example of that might be a woman who kills her husband after he's
been abusing her for a long time. I think they generally do go easier
is this type of situation.

But that poor person you let out with no bail money because they are
so poor, they have almost nothing to lose if they don't show up in
court unless they were innocent and expect to get off and, if guilty,
not much incentive to stop breaking the law because they are really
just killing time until they get caught again..

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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Rob Mccart to KURT WEISKE on Sat Mar 01 2025 01:52 am

I watched the 'talk' that Trump had with the president of Ukraine, Zelenskyy and, if it had been me, I'd have called Trump an asshole and walked out. He' basically suggesting that Ukraine started the war and that he's a dictator and that the only way out of it is for them to hand over 20% of their countr to Russia and agree to give the USA exclusive rights to buy $500 Billion worth of various rare materials from them and, in exchange, the USA will, in theory, not let Russia take any more land from them.

After Trump tried to extort Zelenskyy over Hunter Biden investigations (for which he was impeached) and after Ukraine surrendered their nuclear weapons in exchange for security assurances from Russia, the EU and the US.

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Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

How are Trump and Musk going to profit from their roles?

Are you really asking this question honestly? I'd really like to know.

Musk's companies have received 38 Billion dollars worth of subsidies out
of the US government over the past several years, and as the head of
DOGE, he's influencing other department's purchases. For every $400 million "armored Tesla Cybertruck" purchase/unwanted vehicle dump that's
exposed, there are others - like the FAA ditching Verizon for Starlink,
Musk advising the firing of air traffic controllers, then bringing in
SpaceX personnel to "save" the FAA - asll of which personally benefit
Musk and are illegal given his position in the government - which is why
they "promoted" Amy Gleason, a woman with no involvement as head of
DOGE.

Trump is already bought - he's still afloat financially because of
Russian influence going back to the 1980s, but he gets to gouge American taxpayers every time he goes to Mar-Al-Lago, and we'll see how much
influence he sells this time around. He's gotten away with taking state secrets, ostensibly to sell them - and recently returned "his"
documents to Mar-Al-Lago. There's nothing to stop him from doing it
again now.

Taking the term "profit" figuratively, Trump has used his position to
stall the legal system, appointed cabinet members and senior officials who
have ended investigations (or shut down entire departments) with actions against Trump and Musk and pursued vendettas against those he's gone up against.

I'd have a hard time believing that the US government selling the Nancy
Pelosi building in San Francisco then leasing it back at a profit to the
buyer was an entirely financial move.



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An example of that might be a woman who kills her husband after he's
been abusing her for a long time. I think they generally do go easier
is this type of situation.

Right. The judge should be a person who is capable of (and legally allowed to) make individual bail decisions. And that is the way it is in many parts of the USA. But watch out, because nutty liberals are trying to burn that system down like it's a Target department store.

But that poor person you let out with no bail money because they are
so poor, they have almost nothing to lose if they don't show up in
court unless they were innocent and expect to get off and, if guilty,
not much incentive to stop breaking the law because they are really
just killing time until they get caught again..

A few far-left states (e.g. New York, New Mexico) have inadvertently invented a phrase called "the revolving door" referring to the door to their jails. Suspects get dragged in, they walk back out, they get dragged in again, and
that door just keeps spinning and spinning.

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Musk's companies have received 38 Billion dollars worth of subsidies out of the US government over the past several years, and as the head of
DOGE, he's influencing other department's purchases. For every $400 million "armored Tesla Cybertruck" purchase/unwanted vehicle dump that's

Subsidies for what though?

And what is this $400 million dollar deal? That needs more explaining.

exposed, there are others - like the FAA ditching Verizon for Starlink, Musk advising the firing of air traffic controllers, then bringing in SpaceX personnel to "save" the FAA - asll of which personally benefit
Musk and are illegal given his position in the government - which is why they "promoted" Amy Gleason, a woman with no involvement as head of
DOGE.

What is $2.4 billon dollars to a guy who is worth $359.4 billion? What are the advantages of Starlink vs Verizon? My understanding is that Starlink will provide the FAA with significantly better coverage than Verizon, and better coverage falls under the definition of "efficiency."

I'm finding on internet searches (not like it's the gospel) that "Musk has received over $20 billion in contracts and tax breaks," but tax breaks aren't illegal, and neither are contracts. How are contracts like the Starlink deal illegal?

Trump is already bought - he's still afloat financially because of
Russian influence going back to the 1980s, but he gets to gouge American

How is Trump influenced by Russia? Trump was not even a member of government until 2017. Russia didn't invade Ukraine until Obama was president (2000s.)

Taking the term "profit" figuratively, Trump has used his position to stall the legal system, appointed cabinet members and senior officials
who have ended investigations (or shut down entire departments) with actions against Trump and Musk and pursued vendettas against those he's gone up against.

As president, Trump is allowed to appoint whoever he wants. Who should decide who the president appoints if not the president himself?

I'd have a hard time believing that the US government selling the Nancy Pelosi building in San Francisco then leasing it back at a profit to the buyer was an entirely financial move.

That's another story I'm not familiar with. It's local news for you. What's up with it? By the way you described it, it sounds like a profitable thing for the government to do.

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While I see the minority parties siphoning votes from contending

>parties, I do see the benefits of a vibrant multi-party system. It would
>be great if there was a viable third party alternative. They'd probably
>need to occupy the center and leave the republicans and democrats at the
>fringes.

In Canada we have 3 main parties, the most popular 2 are Liberals and Progressive Conservatives, which closely match your Democrats and
Republicans. But that third party, the NDP (National Democratic Party),
is more ultra Left, support the unions, want more money for poor people,
lower taxes for the middle class, better healthcare, higher pensions
and such, but they will never get elected because the only way they
could fund this is to either bankrupt the country in overspending and/or
by taxing the hell out of the rich, which is usually their main platform..

Much of their monetary support comes from the Unions..

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actors who have worked hard to pass for white even though one of their parents was black. Although they are changing their story now that it's become Cool to be black..

Rashida Jones was invited to be one of the hosts at, I think it was a

>music awards show. Youngsters complained about her not being black
>"enough", not knowing her dad was Quincy Jones. Awkward!

Yes, you run into that a lot these days when they want a black host
for some event. I suppose next it will be whether someone is not
quite Gay enough or something.. B)

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Funny thing, when I go on long vacations for some reason I always run into

>at least one person who really wants to talk politics. From the fall of
>2015, every one of them has been a Trump supporter. Here is the funny
>thing... *any* of them that I have managed to accidentally get talking
>about who they voted for in the past were *ALL* Obama voters at least one
>election.

That does seem odd.. It seemed to me Obama was pretty good but you
couldn't find someone much more different from Trump..

I watched the 'talk' that Trump had with the president of Ukraine,

>> Zelenskyy and, if it had been me, I'd have called Trump an asshole
>> and walked out.

I think that is sort of what Zelenskyy did. He left without attending the

>presser afterwards and without signing the agreement. If I were him, I
>would not sign it. I would pull a Carlos Slim and find another partner
>(maybe China) who would help them vs. Russia and who might also like their
>minerals.

Yes, I was sort of glad to see he didn't sign the agreement. That's
probably about as close as you could come to calling Trump a twit
without having him attack you on stage.. It appears that a lot more
of Europe will be supporting Ukraine (and Canada will continue) so
maybe they can survive.

Something I heard way back when that war started 3 years ago..
First, we all probably heard that Putin said he could take over
Ukraine in 3 days.. but what came out at that same time was he
was already making plans to invade Poland.

Whether true or not, if he had easily taken Ukraine I doubt he
would have stopped there..

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Funny thing, when I go on long vacations for some reason I always run into

>at least one person who really wants to talk politics. From the fall of
>2015, every one of them has been a Trump supporter. Here is the funny
>thing... *any* of them that I have managed to accidentally get talking
>about who they voted for in the past were *ALL* Obama voters at least one
>election.

That does seem odd.. It seemed to me Obama was pretty good but you
couldn't find someone much more different from Trump..

Politically speaking, they are different, but they do have similarities if
you look for them. Both promised (Trump the first time) to be "different"
than other politicians, both knew very well how to work an audience, how to
use social media to their advantage, and both had campaigns that knew about branding. Obama was the first President where I noticed a marked amount of things -- beyond campaign wear -- with his stylized "O" on them... hats, t-shirts (post election), etc. Trump's MAGA hats seem even more prevalent,
but are basically the same thing.

Like I said, I think they both appealed to Americans who were looking for
more than just a political leader... a cultural leader, a thought leader...
and both Obama and Trump found ways to fit that bill.

I watched the 'talk' that Trump had with the president of Ukraine,

>> Zelenskyy and, if it had been me, I'd have called Trump an asshole
>> and walked out.

I think that is sort of what Zelenskyy did. He left without attending the

>presser afterwards and without signing the agreement. If I were him, I
>would not sign it. I would pull a Carlos Slim and find another partner
>(maybe China) who would help them vs. Russia and who might also like their
>minerals.

Yes, I was sort of glad to see he didn't sign the agreement. That's
probably about as close as you could come to calling Trump a twit
without having him attack you on stage.. It appears that a lot more
of Europe will be supporting Ukraine (and Canada will continue) so
maybe they can survive.

The Trump administration is now spinning this as "Zelenskyy was escorted
out by us and the presser was cancelled by us," which was not the original story. That is their story now that several other (mostly European) leaders have met successfully with Zelenskyy and are striking deals with him.

Something I heard way back when that war started 3 years ago..
First, we all probably heard that Putin said he could take over
Ukraine in 3 days.. but what came out at that same time was he
was already making plans to invade Poland.

Whether true or not, if he had easily taken Ukraine I doubt he
would have stopped there..

There were certainly threats discussed to other countries... Poland,
Finland, the Baltics... and I suspect a quick win would have emboldened
him, especially since he knew that Biden wasn't going to do anything about
it.


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After Trump tried to extort Zelenskyy over Hunter Biden investigations (for which he was impeached)

He unfortunately was not the first President, or eventual presidential candidate to be exact, to try to extort Ukraine in order to get something
they wanted in return. Zelenskyy probably thinks we are all a bunch of mobsters.

I'd have a hard time believing that the US government selling the Nancy Pelosi building in San Francisco then leasing it back at a profit to the buyer was an entirely financial move.

It does have some tasty irony involved regardless. ;)

Mike


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I'd have a hard time believing that the US government selling the Nancy Pelosi building in San Francisco then leasing it back at a profit to the buyer was an entirely financial move.

That's another story I'm not familiar with. It's local news for you. What's up
with it? By the way you described it, it sounds like a profitable thing for th
government to do.

It means the US Government owned it, had equity in it, sold it to someone
else and are now paying that someone else rent money.

Here in Kentucky, administrations used to "pay" donors by renting buildings from them vs. owning their own. KY eventually came to realize that it
was cheaper to either own outright, or have a mortgage on, their own
buildings and got out of all the rental agreements they could.

I wouldn't mind hearing more about this San Fransisco deal but it sounds
like on the surface that they are wasting money.


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Hello Rob!

** On Monday 03.03.25 - 01:16, Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE:

[...] the NDP (National Democratic Party)..
..will never get elected because the only way they could
fund this is to either bankrupt the country in
overspending and/or by taxing the hell out of the rich,
which is usually their main platform..

Much of their monetary support comes from the Unions..

I just finished reading this a few weeks ago..

How to Slay a Dragon: Building a New Russia After Putin | 1st
Edition | Hardcover
Mikhail Khodorkovsky
Polity Press, Polity Press | Polity
Political Science / World - European / World - Russian & Soviet / History / Russia - Post-Soviet
Published Oct 23, 2023
$25.00 US / $30.00 CA

https://bookshop.org/a/93260/9781509561056

https://bookmanager.com/tbm/ ?q=h.tviewer&using_sb=status&qsb=keyword&qse=ZNKvTC8zaIGpHyPO7n
gEqA

https://bookshop.org/a/93260/9781509561056

One of his "solutions" was to automatically distribute a
portion of profits/dividends of gov't owned/controlled
businesses to citizens.


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I'd have a hard time believing that the US government selling the N Pelosi building in San Francisco then leasing it back at a profit t buyer was an entirely financial move.

That's another story I'm not familiar with. It's local news for you. Wha up
with it? By the way you described it, it sounds like a profitable thing th
government to do.

It means the US Government owned it, had equity in it, sold it to someone else and are now paying that someone else rent money.

I didn't understand it that way based on Kurt's description. But if that's the case, then that does sound like a rip-off. It's a similar problem with anyone who has the power to use other peoples' money to hire contractors.

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A few far-left states (e.g. New York, New Mexico) have inadvertently invented

>phrase called "the revolving door" referring to the door to their jails. Susp
>s get dragged in, they walk back out, they get dragged in again, and
>that door just keeps spinning and spinning.

Yes, I've heard that. If they had any sense they would have it set up
that a low income person on a first offence should maybe get a break
but they should get hit much harder the next time they land in court
like they do with federal crimes I think (?).. Get caught a third time
and go to jail for 25 years..

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>s get dragged in, they walk back out, they get dragged in again, and
>that door just keeps spinning and spinning.

Yes, I've heard that. If they had any sense they would have it set up
that a low income person on a first offence should maybe get a break
but they should get hit much harder the next time they land in court
like they do with federal crimes I think (?).. Get caught a third time
and go to jail for 25 years..

Heck yea. I am with you on that.

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Rob Mccart wrote to AARON THOMAS <=-

Yes, I've heard that. If they had any sense they would have it set up
that a low income person on a first offence should maybe get a break
but they should get hit much harder the next time they land in court
like they do with federal crimes I think (?).. Get caught a third time
and go to jail for 25 years..

Yes, given the issues that a low-income person has getting employment
after checking "Yes" on the box on a job application that asks if you
were ever arrested/incarcerated - let alone apply for a job that
requires a background check.

If there are no hundrances to employment from the first incarceration,
maybe the rate of recidivism will go down? It's worth a thought
experiment at the very least - except that law enforcement and
incarceration are well down the road of becoming for-profit enterprises.



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.. It seemed to me Obama was pretty good but you

>> couldn't find someone much more different from Trump..

Politically speaking, they are different, but they do have similarities if

>you look for them. Both promised (Trump the first time) to be "different"
>than other politicians, both knew very well how to work an audience, how to
>use social media to their advantage, and both had campaigns that knew about
>branding. Obama was the first President where I noticed a marked amount of
>things -- beyond campaign wear -- with his stylized "O" on them... hats,
>t-shirts (post election), etc. Trump's MAGA hats seem even more prevalent,
>but are basically the same thing.

Sounds like it's more about personal popularity than what they intend
to do politically, although Trump makes some wild promisses, and you
can't trust a lot of what he says. It's either dead wrong or a total
distortion of the truth.. Like he said today that he Subsidizes Canada
to the tune of $200 Billion.. Makes it sound like a hand out rather than
the truth that the USA buys that much from us because it is cheaper than
it can be made there or bought anywhere else.

The tariffs started today and apparently has already cost the USA
3 Trillion dollars in stock drops, and Trump is suddenly suggesting
that he may have another look at things in a few weeks and maybe
make some adjustments.

Trudeau, usually pretty polite to everyone, said today that for
such a smart man he was doing a really stupid thing..

In Congress today apparently most of what he said was Boo'd by
at least all the Democrats and he had to have the Congressman
from Texas physically removed from the floor when he was heckling
Trump during his speach and someone else started suggesting voting
for Trump's impeachment..

Yes, I was sort of glad to see he didn't sign the agreement. That's

>> probably about as close as you could come to calling Trump a twit
>> without having him attack you on stage..

The Trump administration is now spinning this as "Zelenskyy was escorted

>out by us and the presser was cancelled by us," which was not the original
>story.

No, nothing that makes Trump look bad is ever true, and that 'truth'
can change day by day as required..

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If there are no hundrances to employment from the first incarceration,
maybe the rate of recidivism will go down? It's worth a thought
experiment at the very least -

For misdemeanors and other non-violent offenses, I agree it would be
an interesting experiment.


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Politically speaking, they are different, but they do have similarities if

>you look for them. Both promised (Trump the first time) to be "different"
>than other politicians, both knew very well how to work an audience, how

o

>use social media to their advantage, and both had campaigns that knew

bout

>branding. Obama was the first President where I noticed a marked amount

f

>things -- beyond campaign wear -- with his stylized "O" on them... hats,
>t-shirts (post election), etc. Trump's MAGA hats seem even more

revalent,

>but are basically the same thing.

Sounds like it's more about personal popularity than what they intend
to do politically,

"Popularity" would be part of it, but I think it is more to do with
cultivating that popularity. They both had a charismatic way of doing that.

The tariffs started today and apparently has already cost the USA
3 Trillion dollars in stock drops, and Trump is suddenly suggesting
that he may have another look at things in a few weeks and maybe
make some adjustments.

The Dow is down over 1300 points this week, as of the close on Tuesday.

Trudeau, usually pretty polite to everyone, said today that for
such a smart man he was doing a really stupid thing..

He is not wrong there.

In Congress today apparently most of what he said was Boo'd by
at least all the Democrats and he had to have the Congressman
from Texas physically removed from the floor when he was heckling
Trump during his speach and someone else started suggesting voting
for Trump's impeachment..

I don't know that they all booed him for sure. A lot of them held up signs that said things like "FALSE," "LIAR," and other more specific messages.
The Democrat who heckled him apparently did so over the claim that he won
with a "mandate."

Overall he most certainly did not win with a mandate. However, if one
looks at it by the states that actually decided the election... the swing states... I guess he sort of did. While it was a foregone conclusion that states like California were going to be "blue" and states like Kentucky
would be "red," Trump did manage to carry every single state that was
actually in play.

That said, I agree with the Texas Congressman... nationwide, there was no mandate.

The Trump administration is now spinning this as "Zelenskyy was escorted

>out by us and the presser was cancelled by us," which was not the original
>story.

No, nothing that makes Trump look bad is ever true, and that 'truth'
can change day by day as required..

Indeed.


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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Rob Mccart to AARON THOMAS on Wed Feb 26 2025 02:05 am

That reminded me of something I read a couple of years back when they
were going nuts claiming that blacks were vastly discriminated against because even though they only represented under 20% of the population
in New York, they made up 60% of those in prison. Some smart person
resonded to that (probably lost their job over it) that they looked
into the crime statistics and that 65% of the crime was done by black
people so they were actualy UNDER represented in prison..

You're suggesting that someone has statistics on crimes that are commited, but not prosecuted and proven? If the crime isn't proven, how does anyone know the race of those that committed them? This sounds very suspicious.

Usually, crime statistics are based on convictions and I think it's easily proven that minorities are investigated (e.g. traffic-stopped, stop-and-frisked) more than non-minorities and anything they are then convicted of as a result, would be counted as a crime.
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Yes, given the issues that a low-income person has getting employment

>after checking "Yes" on the box on a job application that asks if you
>were ever arrested/incarcerated - let alone apply for a job that
>requires a background check.

If there are no hundrances to employment from the first incarceration,

>maybe the rate of recidivism will go down? It's worth a thought
>experiment at the very least - except that law enforcement and
>incarceration are well down the road of becoming for-profit enterprises.

The sort of help they would come up with in Canada might be something
like the gov't paying part of the salary for the first while for
employees that a company takes a chance on hiring with some minor
criminal record. As you suggest, it doesn't do anyone any good to
keep them from having a chance at ever earning an honest living.

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Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

criminal record. As you suggest, it doesn't do anyone any good to
keep them from having a chance at ever earning an honest living.

Unless your country has a for-profit prison system and lenient lobbying
and campaign finance rules.



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Trudeau, usually pretty polite to everyone, said today that for

>> such a smart man he was doing a really stupid thing..

He is not wrong there.

No, it doesn't seem like it will benefit anyone but the government.
The Tariffs will raise prices and kill jobs on both sides of the
border. I somehow wonder if people down there realize that the
only difference tariffs will make to them is highe prices on
everything that comes from Canada and a lot of things manufactured
there using Canadian products like metals and lumber.

I mean, American companies are not stupid. They buy stuff from
Canada only when it is cheaper or there isn't enough of it in
the USA at the moment. Like, imagine all the aluminum that goes
into modern cars, engine blocks and such. The USA only produces
15% of the aluminum they use. Quebec alone supplies them with 60%
of the rest of it, and Trump wants to put a 25% tariff on it.

I don't know that they all booed him for sure. A lot of them held up signs

>that said things like "FALSE," "LIAR," and other more specific messages.

Yes, I saw that on the news. Probably a message in there that they had
those signs already made up.. B)

Overall he most certainly did not win with a mandate. However, if one

>looks at it by the states that actually decided the election... the swing
>states... I guess he sort of did.

I think the biggest problem is, whatever he promised, he didn't tell
your people he planned to do what he is doing.

Interesting side effect.. They said on the news the last couple
of days with the March School break coming up here that Canadians
booking trips to the USA has dropped by 40% and that literally
thousands of people who paid non-refundable deposits for flights
and hotels and cruises and such are actually walking away from
often thousands of dollars because of what's going on.

Another sad and unfair thing.. a couple in Canada where the wife
was Canadian and the husband is American had both a Canadian and
American flag outside of their house and they had 2 cars severely
vandalized last night because of that American flag.

It's not fair to blame the American people for this but it's hard
to find any place to take out your frustrations about it..

And we have to keep in mind that it hasn't really even started yet.

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That reminded me of something I read a couple of years back when they

> > were going nuts claiming that blacks were vastly discriminated against
> > because even though they only represented under 20% of the population
> > in New York, they made up 60% of those in prison. Some smart person
> > resonded to that (probably lost their job over it) that they looked
> > into the crime statistics and that 65% of the crime was done by black
> > people so they were actualy UNDER represented in prison..

You're suggesting that someone has statistics on crimes that are commited, bu

>ot prosecuted and proven? If the crime isn't proven, how does anyone know the
>ce of those that committed them? This sounds very suspicious.

I think they often have reports of crimes where they know what the
person who did it looks like but they were never caught.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's right. I firmy believe that
everyone should be treated the same but, that said, stereotypes
often exist because they are right most of the time.

Unfortunately this does not allow for cops that are so bigoted that
they shouldn't have a badge, which is not quite the same as a
general order from the station for all officers to watch out for
'certain people' in some areas due to known crime statistics.
Again, not fair, but probably often produces positive results.

I know it's not quite the same but I know a bit about what it's like
to be treated like a criminal without doing anything. I spent a few
years riding around late at night on highly customized motorcycles
and I drove a 575 HP Chevelle SS, all this while still in high school.
I got used to being pulled over and having my name run to see if there
were warrants out for me and having my car searched for drugs or
whatever, often several times a week.

You learn early to just go along with it because, although you can
legally refuse a lot of it, if you do, they will find another way
to make your life a living hell.. Eventually there was a general
order put out for the police force to leave me alone since they'd
never found anything wrong that I'd done. Not sure how large the
police force was but the city had 160,000 residents at the time.

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criminal record. As you suggest, it doesn't do anyone any good to
keep them from having a chance at ever earning an honest living.

Unless your country has a for-profit prison system and lenient lobbying

>and campaign finance rules.

I've always thought that was a good idea, not to take advantage of
people who would normally be let out but to lower the costs of
keeping people in prison who deserve to be there.

Looking online it looks like there is some of that in Canada but
they said it is mostly invisible, you won't see people in orange
jump suits working on the roads or something. Most of it is just
working for the prison itself, cleaning and laundry and such, but
there is some of it done for outside contractors for profit as well.

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That reminded me of something I read a couple of years back when they

> > were going nuts claiming that blacks were vastly discriminated against
> > because even though they only represented under 20% of the population
> > in New York, they made up 60% of those in prison. Some smart person
> > resonded to that (probably lost their job over it) that they looked
> > into the crime statistics and that 65% of the crime was done by black
> > people so they were actualy UNDER represented in prison..

You're suggesting that someone has statistics on crimes that are commited, bu

>ot prosecuted and proven? If the crime isn't proven, how does anyone know the
>ce of those that committed them? This sounds very suspicious.

When I answered this last night I missed something pretty obvious.

If you have 5 black people and 5 white people found guilty and in jail
then they each make up 50% of the population..

But if, say, the black people are in jail for doing 2 criminal acts
and the whites only 1 then that would mean the blacks make up 50% of
the jail population but had committed 66% of the crimes..

On the plus side, they are not under represented in this case, just
guilty of doing more crimes.. B)

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Unless your country has a for-profit prison system and lenient lobbying

>and campaign finance rules.

Looking online it looks like there is some of that in Canada but
they said it is mostly invisible, you won't see people in orange
jump suits working on the roads or something. Most of it is just
working for the prison itself, cleaning and laundry and such, but
there is some of it done for outside contractors for profit as well.

I think he meant jails that are run by for-profit companies who get paid by
the government based on the number of people incarcerated there. They, in turn, are motivated to lobby for laws that make it more difficult for
offenders -- even non-violent ones -- to get out of jail.


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Rob Mccart wrote to KURT WEISKE <=-

they said it is mostly invisible, you won't see people in orange
jump suits working on the roads or something. Most of it is just
working for the prison itself, cleaning and laundry and such, but
there is some of it done for outside contractors for profit as well.

Prison labor in the US is a scam, they end up making pennies on the
dollar compared to free laborers, and end up doing difficult jobs like
fighting brush fires.

I wouldn't be surprised if the US republican party isn't thinking of
prison labor as a replacement for seasonal migrant workers from Mexico.



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Mike Powell wrote to ROB MCCART <=-

I think he meant jails that are run by for-profit companies who get
paid by the government based on the number of people incarcerated
there. They, in turn, are motivated to lobby for laws that make it
more difficult for offenders -- even non-violent ones -- to get out of jail.

Exactly. There have been cases where prison providers have pressured municipalities who weren't keeping their numbers up, resulting in a loss
of revenue for the prison provider. And, judges tend to apply longer
sentences when for-profit prisons are involved.

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Re: Re: Chinese Scientists Cr
By: Rob Mccart to ROB SWINDELL on Sat Mar 08 2025 01:57 am

That reminded me of something I read a couple of years back when they

> > were going nuts claiming that blacks were vastly discriminated against
> > because even though they only represented under 20% of the population
> > in New York, they made up 60% of those in prison. Some smart person
> > resonded to that (probably lost their job over it) that they looked
> > into the crime statistics and that 65% of the crime was done by black
> > people so they were actualy UNDER represented in prison..

You're suggesting that someone has statistics on crimes that are commited, bu

>ot prosecuted and proven? If the crime isn't proven, how does anyone know the
>ce of those that committed them? This sounds very suspicious.

When I answered this last night I missed something pretty obvious.

If you have 5 black people and 5 white people found guilty and in jail
then they each make up 50% of the population..

But if, say, the black people are in jail for doing 2 criminal acts
and the whites only 1 then that would mean the blacks make up 50% of
the jail population but had committed 66% of the crimes..

On the plus side, they are not under represented in this case, just
guilty of doing more crimes.. B)

Being guilty of a crime and being convicted of a crime are 2 different things. Just because more blacks are convicted of crimes doesn't necessarily means more blacks are conducting more crimes. They could just be more likely to be convicted and incarcerated for more crimes.
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Being guilty of a crime and being convicted of a crime are 2 different things. >Just because more blacks are convicted of crimes doesn't necessarily means

ore

blacks are conducting more crimes. They could just be more likely to be >convicted and incarcerated for more crimes.

Based on my quasi-limited experience with young adults who are causing
trouble, white kids are practiced at being able to better BS their way out
of a situation. They probably get a lot of practice pulling the wool over
the eyes of their overpermissive parents.


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On the plus side, they are not under represented in this case, just guilty of doing more crimes.. B)

Being guilty of a crime and being convicted of a crime are 2 different things. Just because more blacks are convicted of crimes doesn't necessarily means more blacks are conducting more crimes. They could
just be more likely to be convicted and incarcerated for more crimes.

More likely than who though?

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Unless your country has a for-profit prison system and lenient lobbying

>and campaign finance rules.

Looking online it looks like there is some of that in Canada but

>> they said it is mostly invisible, you won't see people in orange
>> jump suits working on the roads or something. Most of it is just
>> working for the prison itself, cleaning and laundry and such, but
>> there is some of it done for outside contractors for profit as well.

I think he meant jails that are run by for-profit companies who get paid by

>the government based on the number of people incarcerated there. They, in
>turn, are motivated to lobby for laws that make it more difficult for
>offenders -- even non-violent ones -- to get out of jail.

Right.. I should have thought of that. We hear about that going on in
the USA. Looking for info on that up here, it said that it was tried
in 3 prisons but all have 'either gone defunct or reverted to gov't
control after they found that other prisons had better security,
better health care, and reduced repeat offender rates'.

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Prison labor in the US is a scam, they end up making pennies on the

> dollar compared to free laborers, and end up doing difficult jobs like
> fighting brush fires.

I wouldn't be surprised if the US republican party isn't thinking of

> prison labor as a replacement for seasonal migrant workers from Mexico.

Yes, I saw some info on that, how they get the dirtiest jobs and are
paid next to nothing for it.

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Right.. I should have thought of that. We hear about that going on in
the USA. Looking for info on that up here, it said that it was tried
in 3 prisons but all have 'either gone defunct or reverted to gov't
control after they found that other prisons had better security,
better health care, and reduced repeat offender rates'.

I think we in the USA could learn a lesson from this experiment.

What I said about businesses in a previous message doesn't always apply to government. If a politician, or group of them, can figure out how to line their own pockets, an idea doesn't have to make good business or government sense to find its way into practice.


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That reminded me of something I read a couple of years back when they

were going nuts claiming that blacks were vastly discriminated against because even though they only represented under 20% of the population
in New York, they made up 60% of those in prison. Some smart person resonded to that (probably lost their job over it) that they looked
into the crime statistics and that 65% of the crime was done by black people so they were actualy UNDER represented in prison..
When I answered this last night I missed something pretty obvious.

If you have 5 black people and 5 white people found guilty and in jail
then they each make up 50% of the population..

But if, say, the black people are in jail for doing 2 criminal acts
and the whites only 1 then that would mean the blacks make up 50% of
the jail population but had committed 66% of the crimes..

Being guilty of a crime and being convicted of a crime are 2 different things

>ust because more blacks are convicted of crimes doesn't necessarily means mor
>lacks are conducting more crimes. They could just be more likely to be convic
> and incarcerated for more crimes.

But we were talking about people already in prison so they have been
tried and convicted. I was just suggesting how fewer of them in prison
could represent a higher percentage of crimes than their numbers might
suggest. I doubt anyone wants to fill up the prisons with people who
didn't do a crime so we sort of have to assume guilt when they were
tried and found guilty.

It's all wasted talk anyways. Anyone who breaks the law should
have to pay a price for it based on how serious the crime was
and other considerations shouldn't come into it, but often do..

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