• 2025 FTSC election, call for nominations

    From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to All on Sunday, January 05, 2025 22:20:46
    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Saturday, 18th of
    January 2025 at 20:00 UTC.

    As per FTA-1000.003 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
    5 and no more than 30. Presently there are 5 FTSC members; 4 of those
    have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(5-4)=29
    members to be elected.

    From FTA-1001.007

    3.2 FTSC Standing Members
    -------------------------

    FTSC members are appointed for a two year renewable term. [50 % of
    appointments on initial formation of the FTSC shall be for a 3 year
    renewable term, to ensure continuity of the Committee on expiry of
    the terms.]

    To be selected as a FTSC member, an individual must be a FidoNet
    node, and should be actively involved in FidoNet. Examples include
    having put out a FidoNet-related product or having updated a product
    in the preceding two years, or having experience as a Coordinator,
    Echomail Coordinator or mail or file Hub.

    Standing members may be nominated FidoNet-wide by all of the
    following methods:

    1. Any RC. Each RC is entitled to one (1) nomination.
    2. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the FTSC.
    3. A nominating committee established for the purpose by the ZCC.

    A nominating committee may not consist of any current member or
    officer of the FTSC.

    Standing members are appointed on the basis of a vote by all RCs
    who are nodelisted as holding those positions at the time the
    nominations are published. A successful candidate must receive
    approval by a majority of votes.
    Publication of the nomination and the voting procedure, and posting
    of RC votes, shall take place openly in the FTSC_PUBLIC echo, and
    voting shall close three weeks after publication of the vote.

    The status of RC's will be determined by NODELIST.017 of this year by
    the list as issued by the ZC in the zone where they reside.

    All RCs and members of a nominating committee are hereby
    invited to nominate members. Nominations must be posted in the
    FTSC_PUBLIC echo.

    Nominations start at Saturday, 18 January 2024, 20:00 UTC and end at
    Saturday, 8 February 2024, 20:00 UTC.

    Nominators are advised to sound out prospective nominees before
    filing a nomination. There is little or no point in nominating
    someone that has not shown interest and expressed willingness to
    accept.

    Note to candidates: The main task of the FTSC is to document current
    practice. Contrary to what the name suggests, the FTSC does not create standards out of the blue. Current FidoNet practice evolves and when
    it has stabilized, it may become a standard through FTSC documentation.
    Also, the FTSC is not an enforcement body. Those who wish to join the
    FTSC in order to "engineer FidoNet" may be in for a disappointment.
    Our main job is that of a clerk. We write the technical manual, we do
    not design the machine. To avoid disappointment, sysops interested in
    joining the FTSC are strongly advised to read the following documents:

    http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1000.003
    http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1001.007

    Rob Swindell
    FTSC Election Coordinator
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Rob Swindell on Monday, January 06, 2025 09:30:42
    Hi Rob,

    On 2025-01-05 22:20:46, you wrote to All:

    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Saturday, 18th of
    January 2025 at 20:00 UTC.

    Isn't this supposed to be run by the FTSC Administrator?


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Rob Swindell@1:103/705 to Wilfred van Velzen on Monday, January 06, 2025 11:57:53
    Re: Re: 2025 FTSC election, call for nominations
    By: Wilfred van Velzen to Rob Swindell on Mon Jan 06 2025 09:30 am

    Hi Rob,

    On 2025-01-05 22:20:46, you wrote to All:

    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Saturday, 18th of January 2025 at 20:00 UTC.

    Isn't this supposed to be run by the FTSC Administrator?

    The FTSC Administrator (Andrew Leary) is up for re-election, so to avoid any appearance of conflict of interest, I (the only standing FTSC member *not* up for re-election) will run the election this time around.

    -Rob
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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Rob Swindell on Monday, January 06, 2025 21:17:04
    Hi Rob,

    On 2025-01-06 11:57:53, you wrote to me:

    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Saturday, 18th of
    January 2025 at 20:00 UTC.

    Isn't this supposed to be run by the FTSC Administrator?

    The FTSC Administrator (Andrew Leary) is up for re-election, so to avoid any
    appearance of conflict of interest, I (the only standing FTSC member *not* up
    for re-election) will run the election this time around.

    A valid point I think, although this was never an issue in the past, as far as I can remember...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Wilfred van Velzen on Monday, January 06, 2025 23:14:51
    Wilfred,

    A valid point I think, although this was never an issue in the past, as
    far as I can remember...

    I think it is a very honourable initiative by Andrew to not get the circus with Michiel's last re-election where he needed several messages

    * First to nominate himself with the RC28 hat
    * Change hats to his nodenumber to accept the nomination
    * Change hats to his FTSC-Chair number running the election to confirm
    the nomination.

    Kudos Andrew.

    \%/@rd

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  • From Nigel Reed@1:124/5016 to All on Tuesday, January 07, 2025 00:58:39
    On Sun, 5 Jan 2025 22:20:46 -0800
    "Rob Swindell" (1:103/705) <Rob.Swindell@f705.n103.z1.fidonet> wrote:

    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Saturday, 18th of
    January 2025 at 20:00 UTC.

    As per FTA-1000.003 the number of FTSC members should be no less than
    5 and no more than 30. Presently there are 5 FTSC members; 4 of those
    have terms expiring. That leaves room for a maximum of 30-(5-4)=29
    members to be elected.

    Who are the current members up for reelection and, if they run again,
    I'd like to hear from them as to what they have done in the last 3
    years in their role to better or improve fidonet.
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  • From Dennis Slagers@2:280/2060 to Nigel Reed on Tuesday, January 07, 2025 16:27:12
    Hello Nigel!

    07 Jan 25 00:58, you wrote to all:

    Who are the current members up for reelection and, if they run again,

    found this
    http://ftsc.org/news/News-065.txt



    I'd like to hear from them as to what they have done in the last 3
    years in their role to better or improve fidonet.

    They have 2 year terms


    Dennis


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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Dennis Slagers on Tuesday, January 07, 2025 16:38:34
    Hi Dennis,

    On 2025-01-07 16:27:12, you wrote to Nigel Reed:

    Who are the current members up for reelection and, if they run again,

    found this
    http://ftsc.org/news/News-065.txt

    That is not the current list. This is: http://ftsc.org/docs/fta-1003.033


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Wilfred van Velzen on Tuesday, January 07, 2025 17:44:05
    Hello Wilfred,

    On Monday January 06 2025 09:30, you wrote to Rob Swindell:

    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Saturday, 18th of
    January 2025 at 20:00 UTC.

    Isn't this supposed to be run by the FTSC Administrator?

    According to my interpretation of FTA-1001.007 it is indeed the duty of the FTSC administrator.

    I have not seen a message from the adminstrator where he delegates that duty to someone else.

    I see nothing in the FTSC rules that either allows or disallows such delegation...


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Wilfred van Velzen@2:280/464 to Michiel van der Vlist on Tuesday, January 07, 2025 18:29:20
    Hi Michiel,

    On 2025-01-07 17:44:05, you wrote to me:

    An election for FTSC standing members starts on Saturday, 18th of
    January 2025 at 20:00 UTC.

    Isn't this supposed to be run by the FTSC Administrator?

    MvdV> According to my interpretation of FTA-1001.007 it is indeed the duty of the
    MvdV> FTSC administrator.

    MvdV> I have not seen a message from the adminstrator where he delegates that duty
    MvdV> to someone else.

    A public statement would be nice, indeed.

    MvdV> I see nothing in the FTSC rules that either allows or disallows such
    MvdV> delegation...

    It says:

    Responsibilities:

    4. Coordinating all membership nominations and voting.


    With a bit of broad interpretation, that could include delegation, I suppose...


    Bye, Wilfred.

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Wednesday, January 08, 2025 10:19:49
    Hello Ward,

    On Monday January 06 2025 23:14, you wrote to Wilfred van Velzen:

    I think it is a very honourable initiative by Andrew to not get the
    circus with Michiel's last re-election where he needed several
    messages

    Why the back stabbing? That "circus" as you call it was over five years ago. What is the added value? But if you really /must/, then at least get your facts straight:

    * First to nominate himself with the RC28 hat

    Negative. In the 2017 election I was nominated by Andrew Leary. I did not self nominate. Same for the 2015 and 2013 elections. As far as I recall I never self nominated.


    Cheers, Michiel

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  • From Ward Dossche@2:292/854 to Michiel van der Vlist on Wednesday, January 08, 2025 16:12:11
    Michiel,

    Why the back stabbing?

    Back stabbing? You sound like an American female who watches "Doctor Phil" too much or someone with the fat-toe syndrome.

    It's just a thing which happened and which was ridiculous ...

    \%/@rd

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  • From Michiel van der Vlist@2:280/5555 to Ward Dossche on Thursday, January 09, 2025 09:13:54
    Hello Ward,

    On Wednesday January 08 2025 16:12, you wrote to me:

    You sound like an American female who watches "Doctor Phil" too much
    or someone with the fat-toe syndrome.

    You get your facts wrong and when I protest the respons is an ad hominem. Now why am I not suprised?


    Cheers, Michiel

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