• Re: Is your iPhone listen

    From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Thursday, January 09, 2025 08:08:04
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    Is BBC News trying to distract us with the threat of Siri spying on us, while the iphone is actually harming us even more in some other less-obvious way?

    So consider Siri as a "basic" AI. The problem with any AI is blind trust
    in its results. Once people have that blind trust, the AI becomes yet another vector for control of the population.

    Remember, the Elitists standard play is:
    1. Take a successful, trusted institution.
    2. Hollow it out slowly so that no one outside notices.
    3. Use it to control/manipulate people.

    This same thing happened a couple years ago to my wife. She was talking about something (I forgot what) and then she started seeing ads for it
    on her Android phone.

    Not that I'd sue.

    I would. If I had disabled that feature on my phone, but it was **still** eavesdropping on me, that's illegal since I did not consent.

    I believe that we must always use products at our own
    risk, and that we must never underestimate the evil of big tech.

    That goes without saying.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thursday, January 09, 2025 08:46:00
    Is your iPhone listening to you for ads? Apple confirms Siri data has never been sold to anyone

    Here's what comes to mind after reading that article summary:

    Is BBC News trying to distract us with the threat of Siri spying on us, while the iphone is actually harming us even more in some other less-obvious way?

    No, not everything is some sort of conspiracy. They are reporting what
    they found out which, in part, is what apple told them.

    That said, it doesn't make me trust apple any more than I already did,
    which wasn't much.

    The company said it settled to avoid additional litigation so we can
    ove
    forward from concerns about third-party grading that we already addressed in 2019.

    Does this mean that nobody else can sue them for the same thing?

    They can if they get caught doing it again.

    This same thing happened a couple years ago to my wife. She was talking about something (I forgot what) and then she started seeing ads for it on her
    ndroi
    phone.

    Not that I'd sue. I believe that we must always use products at our own risk, and that we must never underestimate the evil of big tech.

    IIRC, Android phones are known for listening to conversations (too).


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/202 to Ron L. on Thursday, January 09, 2025 10:46:12
    Remember, the Elitists standard play is:
    1. Take a successful, trusted institution.
    2. Hollow it out slowly so that no one outside notices.
    3. Use it to control/manipulate people.

    That's how it's done. Self-proclaimed expertism. It works well (for evil purposes.) The Hillside Stranglers wore well-made police costumes for similar purposes. Google is a lot like the Hillside Stranglers:

    "Google's mission statement is to organize the world's information and make it universally accessible and useful."

    This same thing happened a couple years ago to my wife. She was talki about something (I forgot what) and then she started seeing ads for i on her Android phone.

    Not that I'd sue.

    I would. If I had disabled that feature on my phone, but it was
    **still** eavesdropping on me, that's illegal since I did not consent.

    I don't think it's a disableable feature. The elites who made our phones can press a button to turn on the microphone whenever they feel like it. And I have serious doubts about their reasons for putting 2 cameras on every phone. (Where can I find a smartphone with no camera? Nowhere!)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Friday, January 10, 2025 07:43:22
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    I don't think it's a disableable feature. The elites who made our
    phones can press a button to turn on the microphone whenever they feel like it. And I have serious doubts about their reasons for putting 2 cameras on every phone. (Where can I find a smartphone with no camera? Nowhere!)

    It might not be disablable, but it's still actionable. It just takes 1 person to open the flood gates.

    I remember a friend of mine who worked in a research center for a large automative company. He had to keep his cell phone in a special case, while at work, that blocked the camera. But even the automotive company gave up on that after a while.

    Everyone having a camera on them is both good and bad.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/202 to Ron L. on Friday, January 10, 2025 07:20:06
    I remember a friend of mine who worked in a research center for a large automative company. He had to keep his cell phone in a special case, while at work, that blocked the camera. But even the automotive company gave up on that after a while.

    That's exactly what they're doing to the kids at my kid's school. The kids are required to put their phone in a polyester "Yondr" pouch that prevents the kids from using the phone.

    It's weird because big tech (Democrats) want these cameras everywhere, while teachers unions (Democrats) want the cameras out of reach (control, control, and more control.)

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Saturday, January 11, 2025 08:04:59
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    That's exactly what they're doing to the kids at my kid's school. The
    kids are required to put their phone in a polyester "Yondr" pouch that prevents the kids from using the phone.

    I can think of many reasons for that. Imaging an AI in your pocket when you are taking a test. And that most kids don't have enough self-control today
    to put their phones away when "learning".

    But I can make the argument that if the teachers were doing their jobs, learning would be more interesting than the student's cell phones.

    It's weird because big tech (Democrats) want these cameras everywhere, while teachers unions (Democrats) want the cameras out of reach
    (control, control, and more control.)

    Elitists want cameras, that they control, everywhere.

    So the company I currently work for makes cameras to monitor patients in hospital rooms. One person could monitor many patients at once.

    A number of years ago, my company wanted to branch out and make a variation of our product for schools. So one person could monitor many classrooms at once. I remember saying to my boss that this project wasn't going to get any support and I was right.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/202 to Ron L. on Saturday, January 11, 2025 06:17:00
    kids are required to put their phone in a polyester "Yondr" pouch tha prevents the kids from using the phone.

    I can think of many reasons for that. Imaging an AI in your pocket when you are taking a test. And that most kids don't have enough
    self-control today to put their phones away when "learning".

    You're right, but I hate it though because I want her to be able to call me (or text me) for anything she may need. The elitists are getting off on blocking communication between students and parents (they probably want to change the kids genders or something.)

    It's weird because big tech (Democrats) want these cameras everywhere while teachers unions (Democrats) want the cameras out of reach (control, control, and more control.)

    Elitists want cameras, that they control, everywhere.

    Right. By this point, they probably have their own secret cameras and they want to make the parents think otherwise.

    So the company I currently work for makes cameras to monitor patients in hospital rooms. One person could monitor many patients at once.

    What is the purpose of that though? Like for the nurse's station to be on alert for people getting up and falling, or something?

    A number of years ago, my company wanted to branch out and make a variation of our product for schools. So one person could monitor many classrooms at once. I remember saying to my boss that this project
    wasn't going to get any support and I was right.

    The elitists like the superintendent would probably love that idea. As long as he/she can get a rebate sent to her home address.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Sunday, January 12, 2025 10:02:42
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    You're right, but I hate it though because I want her to be able to
    call me (or text me) for anything she may need. The elitists are
    getting off on blocking communication between students and parents
    (they probably want to change the kids genders or something.)

    Or a viral video of a teacher acting in a way that he shouldn't.

    The Elitists need to keep what's happening in schools quiet, they are doing a poor job of it.

    Right. By this point, they probably have their own secret cameras and
    they want to make the parents think otherwise.

    They do, but they are to record things that the Elitists want.

    There was a big scandal some time ago about school laptops. The school issued students school-owned laptops. They were told that the school could remote into the laptops even in the student's houses, but that would only be done "for cause" (i.e. student reported the laptop missing).

    One day, a teacher scolded a student for "taking drugs at home". The student was confused, but finally put it together. He was eating Good 'N Plenty candy while studying, but then wondered by the teacher was accessing the laptop remotely since there was no cause.

    To say that the s#!t hit the fan would be an understatement, especially when it was found that some teachers were in posession of pictures of underage students in various forms of undress.

    But, of course, the Elitists running things quickly mumbled an apology and swept everything under the rug with a few "firings".

    What is the purpose of that though? Like for the nurse's station to be
    on alert for people getting up and falling, or something?

    You'd be surprised at the number of weird things. Patients abusing nurses. Nurses abusing patients. Patients doing things they shouldn't. Family members trying to kill patients. Family members giving patients illegal drugs.

    It's sort of like putting a trail cam out. You see things you never expected to see.

    The elitists like the superintendent would probably love that idea. As long as he/she can get a rebate sent to her home address.

    The opposite. The Elitists didn't like the idea of ANYONE being able to see what was happening in those classrooms.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/202 to Ron L. on Sunday, January 12, 2025 12:02:14
    One day, a teacher scolded a student for "taking drugs at home". The student was confused, but finally put it together. He was eating Good
    'N Plenty candy while studying, but then wondered by the teacher was accessing the laptop remotely since there was no cause.

    To say that the s#!t hit the fan would be an understatement, especially when it was found that some teachers were in posession of pictures of underage students in various forms of undress.

    But, of course, the Elitists running things quickly mumbled an apology
    and swept everything under the rug with a few "firings".

    They have the kids here taking home Chromebooks every day. My kid never, ever uses it at home either. I didn't realize it until now, but the school probably forces this ridiculous and expensive routine for "photo-ops."

    You'd be surprised at the number of weird things. Patients abusing nurses. Nurses abusing patients. Patients doing things they shouldn't. Family members trying to kill patients. Family members giving patients illegal drugs.

    That sounds like good use of cameras.

    The elitists like the superintendent would probably love that idea. A long as he/she can get a rebate sent to her home address.

    The opposite. The Elitists didn't like the idea of ANYONE being able to see what was happening in those classrooms.

    Oh yea I confused it for a second. The school elitists want just certain cameras (ones that they can control) being brought back and forth. (NOT cameras that can jeopardize their ability to do unethical things.) It's good that we had this conversation. I'm gonna put some tape on the Chromebook's camera!

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to Aaron Thomas on Monday, January 13, 2025 08:02:35
    Aaron Thomas wrote to Dr. What <=-

    They have the kids here taking home Chromebooks every day. My kid
    never, ever uses it at home either. I didn't realize it until now, but
    the school probably forces this ridiculous and expensive routine for "photo-ops."

    They make these little "sticker sliders" for laptops that you can put over the camera. They can be slid back to allow use of the camera, but closed when you don't.

    The argument can be made that anytime the Chromebook is at home, it's privacy time and if the school has an issue with that, it's time for partents to ask some very embarassing questions.

    Oh yea I confused it for a second. The school elitists want just
    certain cameras (ones that they can control) being brought back and
    forth. (NOT cameras that can jeopardize their ability to do unethical things.)

    Exactly. Even 40+ years ago, I had teachers who would turn white if someone said "we are going to put a camera in your room" - and those teachers weren't nearly as bad as the ones we have today.

    It's good that we had this conversation. I'm gonna put some
    tape on the Chromebook's camera!

    Like I said, look at the slider stickers. Whenever I get a new laptop, I put one on the camera.


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