• Does the blunder have consequences?F

    From Joseph Pereira@1:124/5016 to All on Wednesday, March 26, 2025 04:27:08
    "When it became known that Hillary Clinton was using an unofficial email server, the Republicans used that point time and time again for about 5 to 10 years to smear her. Tens of millions of dollars were spent to investigate this, to investigate it again and to bring it all to court and committees once more. Nothing was too crazy.

    Now the Republicans are the guilty ones.

    State secret conversations were sent over an unauthorized chat provider. Worse, they had accidentally invited a well-known journalist into that chat group.

    In a very stupid way, all agreements on secure communication were trampled on. NONE of the senior officials questioned whether this was allowed, even though most of them were very clear at the time about how Clinton should be punished. Resignation was the very least.
    Years in prison were also the least they could do.

    And now?

    Now the core of the Trump administration is fully and demonstrably guilty of the same crime.

    All resign?"
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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Joseph Pereira on Wednesday, March 26, 2025 04:30:10
    In a very stupid way, all agreements on secure communication were
    trampled on. NONE of the senior officials questioned whether this was allowed, even though most of them were very clear at the time about how Clinton should be punished. Resignation was the very least.
    Years in prison were also the least they could do.

    And now?

    Now the core of the Trump administration is fully and demonstrably
    guilty of the same crime.

    All resign?"

    The Atlantic is no friend of the Trump administration, so it looks like it was an accident. But what Hillary did was no accident, so we only need to lock her up.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to JOSEPH PEREIRA on Wednesday, March 26, 2025 08:21:00
    "When it became known that Hillary Clinton was using an unofficial email server, the Republicans used that point time and time again for about 5 to 10 years to smear her. Tens of millions of dollars were spent to investigate this
    to investigate it again and to bring it all to court and committees once more.
    Nothing was too crazy.

    Now the Republicans are the guilty ones.

    State secret conversations were sent over an unauthorized chat provider. Worse
    they had accidentally invited a well-known journalist into that chat group.

    Honestly, I still think Clinton should have gotten in trouble. I also
    think that Biden and Trump should have been in trouble for mishandling documents, and now I think the persons involved in setting up this chat on
    an insecure provider... and inviting an outsider... should be in trouble.

    Each time I look at what these folks have done and thought that, if it were
    me, I would be fired and/or in jail for what they did. The same should
    apply to them.

    Someone should be held accountable.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Wednesday, March 26, 2025 08:22:00
    In a very stupid way, all agreements on secure communication were trampled on. NONE of the senior officials questioned whether this was allowed, even though most of them were very clear at the time about how Clinton should be punished. Resignation was the very least.
    Years in prison were also the least they could do.

    And now?

    Now the core of the Trump administration is fully and demonstrably guilty of the same crime.

    All resign?"

    The Atlantic is no friend of the Trump administration, so it looks like it was
    an accident. But what Hillary did was no accident, so we only need to lock her
    up.

    Someone should at least be fired for this one.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Joseph Pereira on Wednesday, March 26, 2025 08:14:56
    On 26 Mar 2025, Joseph Pereira said the following...


    "When it became known that Hillary Clinton was using an unofficial email server, the Republicans used that point time and time again for about 5
    to 10 years to smear her. Tens of millions of dollars were spent to investigate this, to investigate it again and to bring it all to court
    and committees once more. Nothing was too crazy.

    Now the Republicans are the guilty ones.


    No Hillary was sending Classified information where as the republicans weren't. Moreover, Hillary did this intentionally whereas the Republicans did this unintentionally...

    Event might have been an intentional Deep State setup?? More than likely...

    There are some differences.

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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, March 26, 2025 14:21:25
    The Atlantic is no friend of the Trump administration, so it looks like was
    an accident. But what Hillary did was no accident, so we only need to lo her
    up.

    Someone should at least be fired for this one.

    Yes, I agree. Whoever invited the guy from the newspaper needs to be fired. Trump should make an example of whoever did that. I want him to say:

    "We don't double-down on stupid, we fire people."

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to AARON THOMAS on Thursday, March 27, 2025 08:59:00
    Someone should at least be fired for this one.

    Yes, I agree. Whoever invited the guy from the newspaper needs to be fired. Trump should make an example of whoever did that. I want him to say:

    "We don't double-down on stupid, we fire people."

    The published output of the conversation shows that Goldblum was invited
    into the chat by Michael Waltz.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Thursday, March 27, 2025 09:42:00
    "When it became known that Hillary Clinton was using an unofficial email server, the Republicans used that point time and time again for about 5 to 10 years to smear her. Tens of millions of dollars were spent to investigate this, to investigate it again and to bring it all to court and committees once more. Nothing was too crazy.

    Now the Republicans are the guilty ones.

    No Hillary was sending Classified information where as the republicans weren't

    Sorry but the attack timeline and the airplanes to be used were both classified. The name of the undercover CIA operative (which the Atlantic reporter removed from what he revealed) was very much classified.

    If this was the Biden or Obama admin, we would be letting them have it. If publishing those times or that name would have got someone from our side killed, we'd be letting them have it.

    But because they are Trump appointees, we buy the "not classified" line and look the other way.

    Moreover, Hillary did this intentionally whereas the Republicans did this unintentionally...

    This is only partially true. Both Hillary (with her personal, non-goverment server) and these Republicans (using a non-government communication
    channel) *intentionally* used non-government resources to conduct
    government business.

    You don't *unintentionally* start an official communication via an
    unofficial channel, and you certainly don't *continue* to do so once you realize your "accident."

    The messages were *intentionally* set by Waltz to expire after a short time period, which means no "paper trail" to trace back in case something goes wrong. At least one of the officials on the chain admitted that he couldn't access it real time because he didn't have his "personal phone" with him... meaning he is doing official government business on his personal phone.

    The fact that it got leaked was the ONLY unintentional part. Thank goodness
    it did or we'd soon have no record of it.

    Event might have been an intentional Deep State setup?? More than likely...

    Complete BS.


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  • From Aaron Thomas@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Thursday, March 27, 2025 19:45:01
    "We don't double-down on stupid, we fire people."

    The published output of the conversation shows that Goldblum was invited into the chat by Michael Waltz.

    I worry that Trump has too much pride to fire one of his own appointees, but he needs to realize that everybody makes mistakes, and in this case, it would be a mistake not to fire somebody who has sabotaged the administration.

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Saturday, March 29, 2025 07:30:06
    On 27 Mar 2025, Mike Powell said the following...

    Sorry but the attack timeline and the airplanes to be used were both classified. The name of the undercover CIA operative (which the Atlantic reporter removed from what he revealed) was very much classified.


    Not true

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sunday, March 30, 2025 08:58:00
    Sorry but the attack timeline and the airplanes to be used were both classified. The name of the undercover CIA operative (which the Atlantic
    reporter removed from what he revealed) was very much classified.

    Not true

    That last bit... the name of the covert operative... is 100% classified.

    Basically, the arguement of yours and every other MAGA is that none of it
    is classified, which means you believe it could have been broadcast in
    advance on TV, radio, etc., and it would be completely OK. That is where
    it breaks down completely.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Monday, March 31, 2025 10:05:02
    On 30 Mar 2025, Mike Powell said the following...


    That last bit... the name of the covert operative... is 100% classified.


    Sensitive, not classified. AND, BTW, we should care about who did this... They found the person... Female I think and has ties to Obama...

    The Deep State and or Democrats have only shown their disdain towards Trump and the fabricate all kinds of things... Russia-Russia... J6... and 2 fake impeachments... fake felonies and the list goes on and on...

    So, I care who did what... BTW, Trump said the TXT messages were okay!!!

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Tuesday, April 01, 2025 07:58:00
    That last bit... the name of the covert operative... is 100% classified.

    Sensitive, not classified. AND, BTW, we should care about who did this... They
    found the person... Female I think and has ties to Obama...

    Michael Waltz is a female with ties to Obama? Then why did Trump appoint him/her? (S)He is, after all, the one who invited Goldberg into the chat.

    The Deep State and or Democrats have only shown their disdain towards Trump an
    the fabricate all kinds of things... Russia-Russia... J6... and 2 fake impeachments... fake felonies and the list goes on and on...

    So, I care who did what... BTW, Trump said the TXT messages were okay!!!

    Trump is not a national security expert. They were using Signal, which is
    not to be installed on government devices, meaning they were using their personal phones, which is a no-no for government information... classified, sensitive, or otherwise.

    When she first took office, Gabbard fired a bunch of people for using
    Signal (or another such app) for government business so she should know
    better.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Friday, April 04, 2025 10:19:11
    On 01 Apr 2025, Mike Powell said the following...


    Michael Waltz is a female with ties to Obama? Then why did Trump appoint him/her? (S)He is, after all, the one who invited Goldberg into the
    chat.


    That was a buck stops here statement... There was someone who added the reporter into the group... They/Them were stripped of their security clearance.

    News....

    :Start
    Among those let go were senior officials Brian Walsh, Thomas Boodry and David Feith, the three sources told NBC News.

    Walsh previously was a top aide to Marco Rubio on the Senate Intelligence Committee. Boodry was a legislative director for national security adviser Michael Waltz when he was in Congress, and Feith worked for the State Department during Trump's first term.
    :Stop

    Trump said he'd fire anyone who does not have loyalty to the American people...


    Trump is not a national security expert. They were using Signal, which
    is not to be installed on government devices, meaning they were using their personal phones, which is a no-no for government information... classified, sensitive, or otherwise.


    Yes he is... So far he's been right about everything.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB Joe on Friday, April 04, 2025 18:42:00
    IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    Michael Waltz is a female with ties to Obama? Then why did Trump appoint him/her? (S)He is, after all, the one who invited Goldberg into the
    chat.


    That was a buck stops here statement... There was someone who added the reporter into the group... They/Them were stripped of their security clearance.

    Yes, I have seen the pictures from the chat from Goldberg's phone. It
    clearly says that he was "invited by Michael Waltz." Waltz is the "someone" and, so far, his security clearance has not been stripped.

    OTOH, Trump did fire and reassign some people based on the word of someone
    who doesn't work for the goverment and likely has no idea what she is
    talking about (Laura Loomer).

    Meanwhile, Trump has also put "reciprocal tariffs" on a couple of islands
    whose only inhabitants are penguins and seals. I was not aware that that penguins and seals were importing any US goods to have put tariffs on that
    we could reciprocate against.

    Meanwhile still, the stock market is going to hell in a handbasket.

    Keep chugging that red kool-aid!



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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Saturday, April 05, 2025 12:50:51
    On 04 Apr 2025, Mike Powell said the following...

    Yes, I have seen the pictures from the chat from Goldberg's phone. It clearly says that he was "invited by Michael Waltz." Waltz is the "someone" and, so far, his security clearance has not been stripped.

    OTOH, Trump did fire and reassign some people based on the word of
    someone who doesn't work for the goverment and likely has no idea what
    she is talking about (Laura Loomer).

    Meanwhile, Trump has also put "reciprocal tariffs" on a couple of islands whose only inhabitants are penguins and seals. I was not aware that that penguins and seals were importing any US goods to have put tariffs on
    that we could reciprocate against.

    Meanwhile still, the stock market is going to hell in a handbasket.

    Keep chugging that red kool-aid!


    You have 0 credibility because you sound like you voted for Kamala...

    https://youtu.be/I1rUtxKesBk?si=kY_NLv-9O9_RGsdx

    Here's a video explaining Trump's 5D Chess game. In the video he quotes Trump's Truth Social post, Warren Buffet and an interview Tucker had with Trump's advisor...

    AND OMG... What Trump is doing, as per Trump and his advisors is smart beyond belief.

    By driving the market down it forces the feds to lower interest rates... a "Normal" function of the feds in a market decline.

    The Treasury is about to renew some debt and it'll be doing so at a lesser interest rate... saving 100's of billions in interest.

    Mortgage rates are falling... this will benefit the working class...

    Egg prices down and Oil prices are low, they are down to 2021 prices.

    Several countries are dropping Tariffs towards the US and companies are moving production plants to the US and so far there is more than 6 Trillion dollars promised by companies to invest in the US to create jobs for Americans.

    If the markets are down 20% in one month what a fantastic time to buy stock... It's on sale right now.

    Tariffs alone wont save the day... Trump wants to reduce regulations and taxes as well. It's all three of those things that will ignite the manufacturing renaissance that he's talking about...

    You view is myopic.

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  • From Ron L.@1:120/616 to IB Joe on Sunday, April 06, 2025 09:43:57
    IB Joe wrote to Mike Powell <=-

    You have 0 credibility because you sound like you voted for Kamala...

    He has 0 credibility to me because it's obvious that he's just another bot who can't think for himself.

    You view is myopic.

    His view is ignorant. But that's expected from someone who can't think for himself and can only parrot the Narrative he is fed.


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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Sunday, April 06, 2025 10:23:00
    You have 0 credibility because you sound like you voted for Kamala...

    I didn't vote for Harris, sorry. Maybe you need to get your ears or eyes checked.

    (malarky about playing chess)

    Presidents shouldn't be playing games when it comes to the welfare of the citizens of this country. If he and Elon want to do that with their
    private businesses, that is all well and good. They have the money to
    clean up their own messes. Most of the rest of us do not.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Ron L. on Monday, April 07, 2025 09:47:51
    On 06 Apr 2025, Ron L. said the following...


    He has 0 credibility to me because it's obvious that he's just another
    bot who can't think for himself.


    As long as we agree that he has 0 credibility I'm okay with your assertions.


    His view is ignorant. But that's expected from someone who can't think for himself and can only parrot the Narrative he is fed.


    Again we are talking semantics... We are both right...

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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Monday, April 07, 2025 10:03:23
    On 06 Apr 2025, Mike Powell said the following...

    I didn't vote for Harris, sorry. Maybe you need to get your ears or eyes checked.


    Okay soooooo You voted for the Communist Party or something like that!!!


    Presidents shouldn't be playing games when it comes to the welfare of the citizens of this country. If he and Elon want to do that with their private businesses, that is all well and good. They have the money to clean up their own messes. Most of the rest of us do not.


    Elon is only pointing out where waste is happening in the government... I can see where that is upsetting to the left.

    On paper Elon has lost over 100 Billion dollars pointing out Fraud, Waste and Abuse of US tax dollars.

    USAID
    https://x.com/MikeBenzCyber/status/1887031981965238560

    This video talks about the corruption of USAID... This has been abused by both Republican and Democrat politicians for decades.

    Headline Today....

    How USAID and NED Funded the Bloody Biden Color Revolution in Bangladesh with $1.73 Billion

    Your a hypocrite saying what you said about Trump when ignore everything prior Presidents have done.

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  • From Mike Powell@1:2320/105 to IB JOE on Tuesday, April 08, 2025 16:35:00
    Presidents shouldn't be playing games when it comes to the welfare of
    he
    citizens of this country. If he and Elon want to do that with their private businesses, that is all well and good. They have the money to clean up their own messes. Most of the rest of us do not.

    Elon is only pointing out where waste is happening in the government... I can see where that is upsetting to the left.

    My apologies. I mentioned Musk which gave you an opportunity to change the subject. This was about the "5-d Chess" game that Trump is playing with
    the financial welfare of the citizens of this country. What I said stands.
    Doing that in his private businesses, many of which he bankrupted, is fine
    and dandy. Most of us cannot afford this bullshit.

    Your a hypocrite saying what you said about Trump when ignore everything
    rior
    Presidents have done.

    There are plenty of former Presidents I've not been happy with.

    The difference between you and I is that on the very off chance that what
    is going on is actually "genius," I will admit it. If it sinks the economy,
    you will just keep shoving your head farther up your ass and claiming all
    is ok.

    I do see hypocrisy there, but not where you do.


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  • From IB Joe@1:342/200 to Mike Powell on Wednesday, April 09, 2025 07:06:57
    On 08 Apr 2025, Mike Powell said the following...


    My apologies. I mentioned Musk which gave you an opportunity to change the subject. This was about the "5-d Chess" game that Trump is playing with the financial welfare of the citizens of this country. What I said stands. Doing that in his private businesses, many of which he bankrupted, is fine and dandy. Most of us cannot afford this bullshit.


    All of what Trump is doing is bettering the US and he's targeting the working class.

    Bringing manufacturing back to the US will help the working class... If he wanted to help the elites he would have kept the Democrat policies.

    Trump reorganized his Debt...
    Snippet from and article about Trump's Chapter 11 filings...

    :Start
    Trump's four bankruptcies were Chapter 11 reorganizations (named for its location in federal bankruptcy code), which are designed to restructure businesses without shutting them down completely. The purpose is to "save" the business, as opposed to other forms of bankruptcy which would liquidate the company, said Michael Venditto, a partner at the ReedSmith law firm who has extensive experience with Chapter 11.

    Because they keep coming up, we decided to outline Trump's four bankruptcies. We also talked to some finance experts, who told us Trump is correct that Chapter 11 reorganization is not always the result of bad business decisions.
    :Stop

    Like most successful people they keep trying even if it's hard to push through.

    Having said that... Trump has run for President 3 times and has won 3 times.

    He's worth Billions and had a great family... Sleeps with a Super model, sometimes naked, and has lived a wonderful life...

    Mike, you are sooooooooooooo critical abut Trump... Please share with us your Resume... Please!!! Are you worth Billions and sleep, some times nude, with a Super Model??


    The difference between you and I is that on the very off chance that what is going on is actually "genius," I will admit it. If it sinks the economy, you will just keep shoving your head farther up your ass and claiming all is ok.


    He's not... He's bringing back jobs for the working class people of America. The Billionaires and the Elite class will adapt. I worked in the financial industry long enough to know that the market indexes have an inverse relationship to gravity.

    Black Monday in 1987 where the market lost ~ 20% in one day... going from ~ 2500'ish to ~ 17500'ish... All the doom and gloom... Man...

    The market is currently 37,806.62 as I write this...

    Fun Fact... DOW's lowest point during the The Great Depression was ~ 42 points. 42... today it's 37,806.62....

    By good stocks and hold is the best strategy by far...

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