Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the
bare board, no accessories.
Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
Wow !
Memory chip production redirection surely
plays its part - but beyond even that ...
A 2-Zero is SUPPOSED to be the next thing
to electronic NOTHING. What the fuck has
happened ???
[added comp.sys.raspberry-pi]
On Tue, 4 Aug 2026 00:53:21 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Just checked. $79 USD on Amazon. Just the
bare board, no accessories.
Weren't these things supposed to be under $10 ???
Wow !
Memory chip production redirection surely
plays its part - but beyond even that ...
A 2-Zero is SUPPOSED to be the next thing
to electronic NOTHING. What the fuck has
happened ???
Still 16,93 euro at this Dutch shop <https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-10770?search=pi%20zero%202w>
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 18:57:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/08/2026 18:47, s|b wrote:
? 13,99 ex VAT
That's what the site says, but the price you pay would be VAT included.
AFAIK only business owners can buy ex VAT (in a Dutch shop).
And out of stock
That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who
knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available
again.)
The point is almost NO one has Pi zeros AT ALL right now. The price is
irrelevant
The OP is about the price, so I tend to disagree. I did however forgot 2 things: tariffs and the power supply. That would have to be bought in
the US. I have no clue what effect tariffs would have since Drumpf
changes his mind like every 5 minutes on this.
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 01:53:35 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 8/4/26 09:04, s|b wrote:
Still 16,93 euro at this Dutch shop
<https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-10770?search=pi%20zero%202w>
Only interested in US prices.
They do international shipping and you can change the language on the
website to English. But hey, if you want to stick with Amazon and make
Bezos even richer than he already is...
On 8/4/26 09:04, s|b wrote:
Still 16,93 euro at this Dutch shop <https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-10770?search=pi%20zero%202w>
Only interested in US prices.
On 05/08/2026 18:47, s|b wrote:
? 13,99 ex VAT
And out of stock
The point is almost NO one has Pi zeros AT ALL right now. The price is irrelevant
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 01:53:35 -0400, c186282 wrote:
On 8/4/26 09:04, s|b wrote:
Still 16,93 euro at this Dutch shop
<https://www.kiwi-electronics.com/nl/raspberry-pi-zero-2-w-10770?search=pi%20zero%202w>
Only interested in US prices.
They do international shipping and you can change the language on the
website to English. But hey, if you want to stick with Amazon and make
Bezos even richer than he already is...
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 18:57:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/08/2026 18:47, s|b wrote:
? 13,99 ex VAT
That's what the site says, but the price you pay would be VAT included.
AFAIK only business owners can buy ex VAT (in a Dutch shop).
And out of stock
That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who
knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available
again.)
The point is almost NO one has Pi zeros AT ALL right now. The price is
irrelevant
The OP is about the price, so I tend to disagree. I did however forgot 2 things: tariffs and the power supply. That would have to be bought in
the US. I have no clue what effect tariffs would have since Drumpf
changes his mind like every 5 minutes on this.
Hey, was JUST SAYIN' ... the ridiculous price
was what I saw on US Amazon the other day.
Pi0s were supposed to be DIRT CHEAP - now
they're "exotic", EXPENSIVE, tech. This is
not all 'tariffs' either. Pi stuff was always
way over-priced if you bought it in the USA.
On Wed, 05 Aug 2026 20:14:34 +0200, s|b wrote:
That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available again.)
DigiKey isn't that optimistic. They're saying sometime next year.
PSUs are generic
But Pi zeros are unobtanium right now, except at silly money
I can wait. I think I have a spare one somewhere
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 19:49:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
PSUs are generic
But Pi zeros are unobtanium right now, except at silly money
I can wait. I think I have a spare one somewhere
'unobtanium', I love it when I learn a new word/expression. If I could
only remember it, so I can use it myself some day. (-:
I did a quick search yesterday and found 2 Dutch and 2 Belgian stores
that still had them in stock for under 20 euro. But those were Zero W,
not Zero 2 W. I didn't check if they shipped internationally, probably
not, so they're of no use to many people here.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 02:22:11 -0400, c186282 wrote:
Hey, was JUST SAYIN' ... the ridiculous price
was what I saw on US Amazon the other day.
Pi0s were supposed to be DIRT CHEAP - now
they're "exotic", EXPENSIVE, tech. This is
not all 'tariffs' either. Pi stuff was always
way over-priced if you bought it in the USA.
Point taken.
To be fair, 'merkins do have tariffs and import fees and whatnot to worry about these days. It's not as simple for them as it is for us.
On 06/08/2026 07:22, c186282 wrote:
ÿ Hey, was JUST SAYIN' ... the ridiculous price
ÿ was what I saw on US Amazon the other day.
ÿ Pi0s were supposed to be DIRT CHEAP - now
ÿ they're "exotic", EXPENSIVE, tech.
No. They are just in very short supply
This is
ÿ not all 'tariffs' either. Pi stuff was always
ÿ way over-priced if you bought it in the USA.
Then buy it direct from the UK!
On 06/08/2026 14:14, Theo wrote:
To be fair, 'merkins do have tariffs and import fees and whatnot to worry
about these days.ÿ It's not as simple for them as it is for us.
I wonder what would happen if (once available again) you bought 1000 Pi zeros in the UK, put them in a suitcase and flew home with them, and
then sold them on Ebay...
On 8/5/26 14:14, s|b wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 18:57:11 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 05/08/2026 18:47, s|b wrote:
? 13,99 ex VAT
That's what the site says, but the price you pay would be VAT included.
AFAIK only business owners can buy ex VAT (in a Dutch shop).
And out of stock
That's what I said. They expect to have new ones by Oct 2026, but who
knows? (There's a button to get a notification when they're available
again.)
The point is almost NO one has Pi zeros AT ALL right now. The price is
irrelevant
The OP is about the price, so I tend to disagree. I did however forgot 2
things: tariffs and the power supply. That would have to be bought in
the US. I have no clue what effect tariffs would have since Drumpf
changes his mind like every 5 minutes on this.
ÿ Hey, was JUST SAYIN' ... the ridiculous price
ÿ was what I saw on US Amazon the other day.
ÿ Pi0s were supposed to be DIRT CHEAP - now
ÿ they're "exotic", EXPENSIVE, tech.
This is
ÿ not all 'tariffs' either. Pi stuff was always
ÿ way over-priced if you bought it in the USA.
'Unobtanium' is a device that exists but you can't buy at the present
time. The Zero is a current example. In the early '80s vendors were
quoting similar lead times of over a year on commodity chips. That, in
part, impacted IBM's PC design.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:57:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I was in Boston on business a short time after my house got burgled and
my CD collection stolen. I filled my suitcase with replacement CDs at
2/3rd the price of the UK...
The tax man must have missed your collection. I returned from a Canadian site where I'd been setting up a system and had my toolbox, including a
few octal relays in case I had to replace any. The relays were Japanese
and I did not have proof that they had been purchased in the US so they charged me the import duty.
The customs officers were being pricks. US and Canadian relations have
been mixed far before Trump. When the countries are in a pissing contest citizens crossing the borer bear the brunt. I was next to a guy clearing
the Canadian side. He was a shoe salesman with his sample case. They
nailed him for the duty even though he pointed out they were all left foot shoes.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 12:57:46 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
I was in Boston on business a short time after my house got burgled and
my CD collection stolen. I filled my suitcase with replacement CDs at
2/3rd the price of the UK...
The tax man must have missed your collection. I returned from a Canadian
site where I'd been setting up a system and had my toolbox, including a
few octal relays in case I had to replace any. The relays were Japanese
and I did not have proof that they had been purchased in the US so they charged me the import duty.
The customs officers were being pricks. US and Canadian relations have
been mixed far before Trump. When the countries are in a pissing contest citizens crossing the borer bear the brunt. I was next to a guy clearing
the Canadian side. He was a shoe salesman with his sample case. They
nailed him for the duty even though he pointed out they were all left foot shoes.
On Wed, 5 Aug 2026 19:49:58 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
PSUs are generic
But Pi zeros are unobtanium right now, except at silly money
I can wait. I think I have a spare one somewhere
'unobtanium', I love it when I learn a new word/expression. If I could
only remember it, so I can use it myself some day. (-:
I did a quick search yesterday and found 2 Dutch and 2 Belgian stores
that still had them in stock for under 20 euro. But those were Zero W,
not Zero 2 W. I didn't check if they shipped internationally, probably
not, so they're of no use to many people here.
On Thu, 6 Aug 2026 21:39:43 +0100, The Natural Philosopher wrote:Once again, I speak universal usage.
On 06/08/2026 19:22, rbowman wrote:
'Unobtanium' is a device that exists but you can't buy at the present
time. The Zero is a current example. In the early '80s vendors were
quoting similar lead times of over a year on commodity chips. That, in
part, impacted IBM's PC design.
No. Unobtanium is a substance that does NOT exist. But would solve
massive problems if it did.
Once again, I speak American.
"Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a
hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a
specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually
exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium
On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
"Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a
hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a
specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually
exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium
Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds like
it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be extracted
... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and electrolysis.
I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
The Natural Philosopher <tnp@invalid.invalid> wrote:
On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:I had a friend who used to call that "Muckite".
On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
"Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for aStating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not
hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a
specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually
exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium >>>
"unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds like >>> it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be extracted
... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and electrolysis.
I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
that is new to me.,..
... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from....That isn't!
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
Can't remember what it was.
On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
"Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a
hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a
specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually
exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix "-ium
Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not "unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be extracted
... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and electrolysis.
I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
that is new to me.,..
... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
...That isn't!
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
Can't remember what it was.
On 2026-08-07, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:
On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
Can't remember what it was.
Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there
are so many things that can be made...
I've heard of a place called "Theory". I want to move there,
because so many things work in Theory.
On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
"Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a
hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a
specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually
exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix
"-ium
Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not
"unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds
like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be
extracted ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and
electrolysis.
I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
that is new to me.,..
... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from....That isn't!
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
Can't remember what it was.
On 2026-08-07, wmartin <wwm@wwmartin.net> wrote:
On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
Can't remember what it was.
Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there
are so many things that can be made...
I've heard of a place called "Theory". I want to move there,
because so many things work in Theory.
On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
Can't remember what it was.
Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there
are so many things that can be made...
On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch", there
On 07/08/2026 11:38, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
"Unobtainium is a humorous engineering and fictional term for a
hypothetical material that has the ideal, perfect properties for a
specific application, but is impossible to get or does not actually
exist. It combines the word "unattainable" with the chemical suffix
"-ium
Stating the obvious, here, but that should say "unobtainable" not
"unattainable" ... I've never heard of "Unattainium", but it sounds
like it should be a hypothetical element that exists but can't be
extracted ... a bit like potassium was before Humphrey Davy and
electrolysis.
I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
that is new to me.,..
... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from....That isn't!
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].
Can't remember what it was.
are so many things that can be made...
On 2026-08-08 04:48, c186282 wrote:
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On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote:
On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloyDon't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch",
casting]. Can't remember what it was.
there are so many things that can be made...
ÿÿ In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for
ÿÿ a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows-
ÿÿ what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent
ÿÿ recipe.
ÿÿ IS good enough for low-stress housings and such
ÿÿ however and easy to cast/machine. Better than
ÿÿ plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or
ÿÿ steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO.
I think I have seen motors used in kitchens have very cracked metal housings. Probably this pot metal.
e
On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote:
On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloy casting].Don't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch",
Can't remember what it was.
there are so many things that can be made...
ÿ In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for
ÿ a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows-
ÿ what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent
ÿ recipe.
ÿ IS good enough for low-stress housings and such
ÿ however and easy to cast/machine. Better than
ÿ plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or
ÿ steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO.
On 2026-08-08 04:48, c186282 wrote:
e
On 8/7/26 14:01, wmartin wrote:
On 8/7/26 06:10, The Natural Philosopher wrote:
A late friend had a similar word for pot metal. [Zinc alloyDon't know about that one. I want to know where to buy "scratch",
casting]. Can't remember what it was.
there are so many things that can be made...
ÿÿ In USA, the term "pot metal" has been around for
ÿÿ a very long time. Mostly zinc but with who-knows-
ÿÿ what also mixed in there. It's not a consistent
ÿÿ recipe.
ÿÿ IS good enough for low-stress housings and such
ÿÿ however and easy to cast/machine. Better than
ÿÿ plastic but not as good as decent aluminum or
ÿÿ steel alloy. HAS it's place IMHO.
I think I have seen motors used in kitchens have very cracked metal housings. Probably this pot metal.
I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
The late, great, Terry Pratchett wrote of "Narrativium", which he said
was the raw material from which stories are constructed.
... there's also "Corium", which is the name given by nuclear engineers
to the the material created in the core of a nuclear reactor that is (inadvisedly) allowed to melt down ... as has happened at Three Mile
Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)
On 07/08/2026 13:35, Daniel James wrote:
I might also mention "Handwavium", which means, you know ...
... and "Chinesium" which so many cheap imported goods are made from.
The late, great, Terry Pratchett wrote of "Narrativium", which he said
was the raw material from which stories are constructed.
... there's also "Corium", which is the name given by nuclear engineers
to the the material created in the core of a nuclear reactor that is (inadvisedly) allowed to melt down ... as has happened at Three Mile
Island, Chernobyl, and Fukushima.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corium_(nuclear_reactor)
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