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    From bp@www.zefox.net@3:770/3 to All on Thursday, February 06, 2025 18:53:48
    What is the significance of a held back update? When I ran an
    update/upgrade cycle this morning three updates were "held back",
    with no further explanation.

    The packages held back were
    raspberrypi-ui-mods 1.20250121
    wf-panel-pi 0.92
    wfplug-connect 0.11

    Any insights about what's going on would be appreciated!

    bob prohaska

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@3:770/3 to bp@www.zefox.net on Thursday, February 06, 2025 20:38:30
    bp@www.zefox.net writes:
    What is the significance of a held back update? When I ran an
    update/upgrade cycle this morning three updates were "held back",
    with no further explanation.

    What command(s) did you use?

    The packages held back were
    raspberrypi-ui-mods 1.20250121
    wf-panel-pi 0.92
    wfplug-connect 0.11

    Any insights about what's going on would be appreciated!

    Historically it meant there was an unsatisfiable dependency. It could
    mean that the depdency (or a suitable version of it) is completely
    unavailable, or that it’s available but for some reason not installable
    or upgradable.

    Currently it can also mean that the upgrade is being phased and it’s not
    your turn yet. I think the diagnostic for this is being improved.

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  • From bp@www.zefox.net@3:770/3 to Richard Kettlewell on Friday, February 07, 2025 01:10:13
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    bp@www.zefox.net writes:
    What is the significance of a held back update? When I ran an
    update/upgrade cycle this morning three updates were "held back",
    with no further explanation.

    What command(s) did you use?
    The usual,
    sudo apt update
    sudo apt upgrade


    The packages held back were
    raspberrypi-ui-mods 1.20250121
    wf-panel-pi 0.92
    wfplug-connect 0.11

    Any insights about what's going on would be appreciated!

    Historically it meant there was an unsatisfiable dependency. It could
    mean that the depdency (or a suitable version of it) is completely unavailable, or that it’s available but for some reason not installable
    or upgradable.

    Currently it can also mean that the upgrade is being phased and it’s not your turn yet. I think the diagnostic for this is being improved.


    It does seem that upgrades trickle in slowly, as advertised by the
    "update available" icon. It seems as if there needs to be some
    additional information offered on when to upgrade and/or reboot.

    Thanks for writing,

    bob prohaska

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@3:770/3 to bp@www.zefox.net on Friday, February 07, 2025 08:55:23
    bp@www.zefox.net writes:
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    What command(s) did you use?
    The usual,
    sudo apt update
    sudo apt upgrade

    I would suggest using ‘apt-get dist-upgrade’, if upgrading manually, because:

    (1) ‘apt upgrade’ will currently never remove a package, even if that’s
    necessary to upgrade something else.

    (2) ‘apt’ is permitted to meaning from version to version, so any advice
    given about it today could be invalidated tomorrow.

    It does seem that upgrades trickle in slowly, as advertised by the
    "update available" icon. It seems as if there needs to be some
    additional information offered on when to upgrade and/or reboot.

    When to upgrade:

    * I use https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades, which takes most of
    the hassle out of it.

    When to reboot:

    * /var/run/reboot-required should be nonempty if you need a reboot.

    * https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/needrestart should help with
    reboot notifications.

    * unattended-upgrades mentions any need to reboot in its email
    notifications.

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  • From bp@www.zefox.net@3:770/3 to Richard Kettlewell on Friday, February 07, 2025 19:23:16
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    bp@www.zefox.net writes:
    Richard Kettlewell <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
    What command(s) did you use?
    The usual,
    sudo apt update
    sudo apt upgrade

    I would suggest using ‘apt-get dist-upgrade’, if upgrading manually, because:

    (1) ‘apt upgrade’ will currently never remove a package, even if that’s
    necessary to upgrade something else.

    (2) ‘apt’ is permitted to meaning from version to version, so any advice
    given about it today could be invalidated tomorrow.

    It does seem that upgrades trickle in slowly, as advertised by the
    "update available" icon. It seems as if there needs to be some
    additional information offered on when to upgrade and/or reboot.

    When to upgrade:

    * I use https://wiki.debian.org/UnattendedUpgrades, which takes most of
    the hassle out of it.

    When to reboot:

    * /var/run/reboot-required should be nonempty if you need a reboot.

    * https://packages.debian.org/bookworm/needrestart should help with
    reboot notifications.

    * unattended-upgrades mentions any need to reboot in its email
    notifications.

    Thank you very much! I wasn't aware of the nuances you've presented.
    For now /var/run/reboot-required doesn't exist. I'll start checking
    it regularly.

    bob prohaska

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  • From Richard Kettlewell@3:770/3 to bp@www.zefox.net on Sunday, February 09, 2025 10:37:21
    bp@www.zefox.net writes:
    Thank you very much! I wasn't aware of the nuances you've presented.
    For now /var/run/reboot-required doesn't exist. I'll start checking
    it regularly.

    unattended-upgrades is telling me about has raspberrypi-ui-mods too (now
    that I look at my cron mail). The answer is that other packages need to
    be installed and removed in order to satisfy the new version’s
    dependencies:

    $ really apt-get dist-upgrade
    Reading package lists... Done
    Building dependency tree... Done
    Reading state information... Done
    Calculating upgrade... Done
    The following package was automatically installed and is no longer required:
    lxplug-network
    Use 'apt autoremove' to remove it.
    The following packages will be REMOVED:
    lxplug-ptbatt
    The following NEW packages will be installed:
    lxplug-batt lxplug-cpu wfplug-batt
    The following packages will be upgraded:
    raspberrypi-ui-mods
    1 upgraded, 3 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
    Need to get 1,113 kB of archives.
    After this operation, 260 kB of additional disk space will be used.
    Do you want to continue? [Y/n]

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